Global Warming: The New Religion

[pbfoot]

Nope never have been always correct. The last guy that was correct all the time was strung up on a cross. But the guy says because it isn't warmer it must be a fallacy . It's called climate change all sorts of climates are going to change some will get warmer some will get colder. So it's really pointless discussing the topic with a person or persons who have no bend . When NASA and NOAA and best yet Australia and I quote from the Australian Government website:
Australia's climate is changing
"I expect climate change to affect all Australians. It is the Bureau's responsibility to provide decision makers and the general public with accurate observations and information about our changing climate."
Dr. Geoff Love, Director of Meteorology

Australia and the globe are experiencing rapid climate change. Since the middle of the 20th century, Australian temperatures have, on average, risen by about 1°C with an increase in the frequency of heatwaves and a decrease in the numbers of frosts and cold days. Rainfall patterns have also changed - the northwest has seen an increase in rainfall over the last 50 years while much of eastern Australia and the far southwest have experienced a decline."

Need I say more

[Njaco]

Pb, I don't think thats the debate. Climate change is happening but humans are not the 100%, end all of be all cause or reason for it, not even a majority of it. We contribute but not to the extent that Al or whoever will tell you.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Pb, I don't think thats the debate. Climate change is happening but humans are not the 100%, end all of be all cause or reason for it, not even a majority of it. We contribute but not to the extent that Al or whoever will tell you.

Jesus guys it ain't Al or George or Micheal its facts put out by responsable entities I did a search for myths of global warming the 2 top hits on several engines were the same
Ten Popular Myths About Global Climate Change
MYTHS OF GLOBAL WARMING
Now I don't care for the Sierra Club as I disagree on some of there policies and projects and I believe they are a bit over the top but Biblebelievers, WTF is this they dispute evolution for Gods sakes . I have nothing against anyones religion but religion and science are like oil and water . Now if you don't trust the most scientific agencies of your own government ......

[Njaco]

Pb, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. The second site you list states what I believe and have been saying....

There is no scientific consensus that global warming is a problem, or that humans are its cause.

Are we singing in the same choir just at different ends of the pew?

[tpikdave]

pbfoot

As a spouter of hot air I'd like to reply by saying ignorance is bliss .

I have to agree with you. May the bliss be with you.

[lastwarrior]

I agree with that

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Pb, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. The second site you list states what I believe and have been saying....



Are we singing in the same choir just at different ends of the pew?

If you look at the domain names of the url i provided I hope it gives you cause for thought . One was the Sierra Club and the one you opted for was Bible Believers

[Njaco]

Missed that one

But looking at the 2nd site I notice that nowhere is a sermon about God or quotes from the bible and that they are quoting science for their position. Kinda defeats the purpose of seperation of church and labrat. I don't know if the data is correct, but they reference the sources and they appear to be legit. Take the Gallop Poll, should'nt be hard to verify. I could put the name "Bunny-huggers and Gas-guzzlers Association" instead of Bilble Believers and it wouldn't matter. It doesn't come across as biased.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Jesus guys it ain't Al or George or Micheal its facts put out by responsable entities I did a search for myths of global warming the 2 top hits on several engines were the same
Ten Popular Myths About Global Climate Change
MYTHS OF GLOBAL WARMING
Now I don't care for the Sierra Club as I disagree on some of there policies and projects and I believe they are a bit over the top but Biblebelievers, WTF is this they dispute evolution for Gods sakes . I have nothing against anyones religion but religion and science are like oil and water . Now if you don't trust the most scientific agencies of your own government ......

You say you can not discuss something with people that will not bend. Thats a pretty stupid thing to say in my opinion.

You know why?

You wont bend either....

When you can prove that the climatologists and scientists that say the GW is not being caused mainly by humans are wrong then I will believe you.

Thats the thing, there is evidence out there that supports both theories.

Which side is correct.

I know what side I believe is correct. So please get off the high horse, and accept the fact that there are 2 sides of the story and you might not be correct.

If it turns out what I believe in is wrong I would do the same thing.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Just found some info that might be interesting about so called man made Global Warming.

98% of total global greenhouse gas emissions are natural (mostly water vapor); only 2% are from man-made sources.

By most accounts, man-made emissions have had no more than a minuscule impact on the climate. Although the climate has warmed slightly in the last 100 years, 70% percent of that warming occurred prior to 1940, before the upsurge in greenhouse gas emissions from industrial processes. (Dr. Robert C. Balling, Arizona State University)

A Gallup survey indicated that only 17% of the members of the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society thought the warming of the 20th century was the result of an increase in greenhouse gas emissions.

Global Warming In Brief - Q&A

[pbfoot]

From one of several previous posts on the subject

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I think I'm rational and like to investigate both sides of the story , check out the bibliography of who wrote what and why . The video you presented was very interesting and made many valid points ,I checked out some of the folks who made the case and it made me a bit leary of some of them . We have problems whether they are man made or not I tend to think they are more influenced by man rather then nature that is my opinion it is not liberal and nor am I.
you don't have to go far to find major changes the arctic climate is changing rapidly hence the food chain is being altered what are the long term reprecussions... we don't know are you willing to bet your kids future on it

I've read your previous statements and found your opinion balanced and objective but some other posters are not quite so objective.
Please check out any government website type in climate change in the search engine and they all say the same thing I checked out Australia, New Zealand ,Canada , the UK , Noaa ,Nasa are all these scientists nuts? I'm not basing my opinions on weird science even Bill Oreilly makes a statement
YouTube - Bill O'Reilly: Global warming is here

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COWS!
(that wasn't aimed at you lot )
At least that was one of the reasons given for the amount of methane found in the atmosphere

BBC NEWS | Wales | Mid Wales | Garlic 'may cut cow flatulence'

[Negative Creep]

The governments around the world do believe in climate change. Of course, the only way they can tackle it is to tax everyone on the commodities we are told cause this change to happen. This has nothing to do with scare tactics as a way of making money, oh no.............

[tpikdave]

The TOP of Mt Everest consists of mostly marine limestone??? Hmmm, sure makes ME think.

[Njaco]

Pb, I just think there's too much information and disinformation. I agree with you that checking sources and reading all opinions is the way. But I'm also not going to trust scientists totally. South Korea proved that. I'm just gonna use alittle common sense thrown in the mix with facts as I can find them.

What I don't need is the gubberment telling ME what to do when I walk around and find industry puffing huge black columns of smoke, large trucks that wouldn't pass an inspection in 20 years racing down the freeway, manufacturing in third world countries with no restraints and the companies here in the States supporting them (just once I'd like to see "made in the USA" on something other than a diaper!). I don't need the gubberment and entertainment talking-heads telling me to buy asparagas-fueled bicycles and use Coleman light bulbs while they use jets and limos for travel with a "damn the Public" attitude and want money to pay for them to tell me this slop.

I get the consensus here that climate change exists and will happen. Always has and always will. We may disagree on the cause. But nothing we do now or in the near future will change any of it. And all the movies, TV specials, newspapers, scientists and bible thumpers in the world will either.

Instead of focusing on stupid stuff that robs the public of its money and gives no-talent entertainers a job, lets direct our efforts toward the Iraq /Afghan problem, the high murder rate in our large cities, the security of our borders, hell, lets make sure our schools are properly educating people so they Can make an informed decision when BS comes from at them from the media and DC.

(stepping down off the soapbox)