Global Warming: The New Religion

pbfoot · 07-19-2007, 02:27 PM

I can accept that as a reasonable attitude NJACO misinformation is the unintentional byproduct of the information age all the news sources publishing and diseminating crap without doing background checks on either the sources or the claims so as not to be scooped by other sources . And thanks Tpik wasn't aware of that limestone bit but your correct, what was it like to live in Pangea?

Emac44 · 07-20-2007, 11:03 AM

Pb its not that I discount what is said about Australian Weather Patterning. However like Adler said there are 2 schools of thought. CSIRO studies have said and I quote That the current drought conditions had more to do with the usual El Nino Effect than Global Warming. As Australia is the driest continent in the world that is more conclusive then theories put forward by other scientists who claim Global Warming is the only cause to the droughts. A ONE degree celius increase in Australia over 150 years and remember this is averaged over 150 years is not highly significant to justify this as Global Warming. Remember this country of mine has floods bushfires droughts cyclones snow and ranges of temperatures that vary constantly from year to year and often these can occur or not occur for decades. And from what scientists have examine have occured long time before the Whiteman ever came to Australia. At one time the Inland of Australia was an Inland Sea according to fossil records found in many varying locations in Desert Country Australia. However that does not say an Ice Age changed that or a Global Continental Shift had occured millions of years ago or some other reason for the Inland Sea to disappear. And in that case man would have had no influence on that any way. I am not saying that man doesn't have an impact on the enviroment. But I disagree to the amount that some claim we have on the enviroment. I well remember some 10 to 15 years ago that the World was facing the dawning of a new ICE AGE and it was widely proclaimed and believed as such like Global Warming is today. There are just to many theories to comprehend and some agree with each other and some contridict each other but mostly they confuse most people in this world we live in. Some of the recent theories involved Venice in Italy. That sea levels were rising in Venice and it showed on the levels on the sides of buildings some 500 years old etc. Considering the Italians built Venice virtually on a mud swamp the bloody city is sinking into the mud. And its not rising sea water the problem but the buildings sinking into the mud is the major problem. i use that as an example only Pb as to what the fear factor has been put forward by some supporters of Global Warming. Similar types of Fear Factors were put about some 10 to 15 years ago Pb about the forth coming supposive ICE AGE. That the Southern parts of Australia would be and barren perma Frost landscape if the new ice age was to occur. Sea Levels would drop and their temperatures would lower which would adverasily effect places like the Great Barrier Reef and kill of marine life and the Reef itself. Course this was suppose to occur in the period of next 150 years or more but was unsure precisely and was a rough estimate and was the immediate near future from the late 1980s in that 150 yrs timeframe and man was totally to blame for this occuring. Of course as you know Pb we now have Global Warming which totally dismisses Global Cooling from the late 1980s. Can you explain to me who do I believe? Some scientists from the 1980s or the new lot from the 1990s -2000 era. Or do I make a judgement and say to you or any one else. That none of us really know how to predict weather patterning precisely and most of it is guess work at best and how we preceive it totally depends on what you want to believe

As for Mount Everest. Seeing that mountain range is situated on a fault line between the Asiatic Coninental Plate and that of the Indian Ocean Continental Plate. its not hard to believe that the Mountain range come about by continental plate movement in that region millions of years ago. And Mount Everest was at one time under water until the conitnents moved and thrusted that range above sea level 29,000ft above sea level. And that still had nothing to do with by man now did it?

majorwoody10 · 10-14-2007, 04:13 AM

some seem to claim that co2 levels have historically followed BEHIND global warming trends ,some claim it is solar winds ect... has anyone seen how or if the climate experts have responded to this data ? ...it seems now that almost ALL the climate people are now on the bandwagon with the theory that the warming is manmade and that we must take action immediatly to rectify manmade co2 levels . is this a conspiracy by the entire worldwide climate science cadre and if so to what end ? how do these guys benefit by turning the world economy upside down , personal wealth or power ,a house in the hamptons ? why would they lie NOW if they know they would be discredited in only ten or twenty years ...it make no sense ...these scientists are the same nerdy guys who had tape on their glasses and pocket protecters in high school .we all remember them , they didnt much care about cars or chicks or football games THEN and they dont care much about personal wealth now ...if they all agree about global warming , i think we all need be very concerned ...dont you?

Njaco · 10-14-2007, 08:23 AM

Concerned about what? The Earth dying? Everything is temporary and everything is degrading -
because of time, man, age, entropy and Brittany's dance routines, etc. Al Gore won a Peace (?) prize for talking about something nobody can change and won't happen for thousands of years.

Besides trans fat and gas prices will kill ya before GW does.

pbfoot · 10-14-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Njaco

Concerned about what? The Earth dying? Everything is temporary and everything is degrading -
because of time, man, age, entropy and Brittany's dance routines, etc. Al Gore won a Peace (?) prize for talking about something nobody can change and won't happen for thousands of years.

Besides trans fat and gas prices will kill ya before GW does.

Change is possible but are we ready to make the sacrifice . I/m afraid the mentality needed is the same one used in wars where everyone will have to sacrifice .
Pay heed to the looming water shortage it's becoming a real concern to the Us south
N.M. governor Richardson under fire over Great Lakes water comments - US
I remarked on this almost 2 years ago and I believe everyone thought I was nuts in post 43 and 34
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/pol...tml#post121263 (Attention Canadians! France eyes oil-rich Atlantic seabed)

FLYBOYJ · 10-14-2007, 11:58 AM

The problem there is Richardson, being the moron that he is, hasn't looked at a map lately and seen that his home state is a lot closer to the Pacific and Gulf Coast - places where desalination plants were proposed and shot down by environmentalist and special interest groups.

There's been water shortages in the Western US for years. Global Warming will now bring it to the forefront but I believe we have the capability to take care of it.

Matt308 · 10-14-2007, 01:27 PM

What's more concerning is the water sources drying up that are used for populations that have decided to build large cities in the middle of the effing desert. That coupled with farming use (and waste) and you get large sources of water drying up. It is these large use entities that are most inefficient in conservation.

pbfoot · 10-14-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

What's more concerning is the water sources drying up that are used for populations that have decided to build large cities in the middle of the effing desert. That coupled with farming use (and waste) and you get large sources of water drying up. It is these large use entities that are most inefficient in conservation.

your 100% correct

Matt308 · 10-14-2007, 01:29 PM

...and before someone gets on the "what don't you like about farms (food)" bandwagon, note that many agricultural products are not farmed for human consumption. Examples include corn for ethanol or closer to my home thousands upon thousands of acres of hay that are bailed and shipped to China.

pbfoot · 10-14-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

...and before someone gets on the "what don't you like about farms (food)" bandwagon, note that many agricultural products are not farmed for human consumption. Examples include corn for ethanol or closer to my home thousands upon thousands of acres of hay that are bailed and shipped to China.

and ethanol is just a scam

Njaco · 10-14-2007, 02:26 PM

So is part of the farming industry. Water piped from Calif. to farms in AZ, OK and such for farms that are then subsidized by the gov. to overgrow product thats not used, rots in elevators and mega-farms are paid to let it sit.

Thats a whole another area that needs revamping.

Negative Creep · 10-14-2007, 03:46 PM

Something you may find interesting, a judge has ruled that An Inconvenient Truth contains scientific errors and can now only be show in school with a warning that 'it is just a point of view'

BBC NEWS | Education | Gore climate film's 'nine errors'

Finally, a victory for common sense!

pbfoot · 10-14-2007, 03:50 PM

It's a documentary every doc has some error or other depending on ones point of view .

Negative Creep · 10-14-2007, 04:23 PM

Thing is, most documentaries aren't sent to every school in this country to teach future generations about 'man made' climate change

Njaco · 10-14-2007, 05:29 PM

What exactly did Gore win the Nobel for? For talking more than everybody else?

I wanna win the Nobel too. I'm gonna do a docu on the dangers of grass. How it stings like a paper cut, how respitory illness would be cut in half if we got rid of it, how it confuses people who are colorblind. How the lawnmower conglomerates block any legislation against grass and how Chemlawn is running a fertilizer for doughnuts scheme. Think I'll call it "An Inconvient Lawn".

Would I win the Nobel?