 | Global Warming: The New Religion| Politics Discuss Global Warming: The New Religion in the Current forums; Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet
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10-18-2007, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet  No I did not represent it in any way other than my opinion. Which is why I stated it as "my personal opinion".
I know there are plenty of scientists that believe in GW. There are also plenty that dont.
My point is that until either side can seriously prove it then it is nothing but theory and speculation. There is no PERIOD, and unless someone is a scientist then they have nothing more than opinion. | But according to you guys it's impossible to actually prove anything as it will always remain a theory. Even with a consensus it's still a theory.
And there will ALWAYS be scientists who support your personal opinion.
Reminds me a bit of - and I'm of course not claiming you are a part of this - holocaust denyers. There are always authors and scientists (Irving?) who will give enough substance to those freaks. There are things unclear about the holocaust and as such there are more than one theories. To them, as long as there's nobody to prove them that there was a holocaust, there never was one.
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10-18-2007, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Civettone But according to you guys it's impossible to actually prove anything as it will always remain a theory. Even with a consensus it's still a theory.
And there will ALWAYS be scientists who support your personal opinion.
Reminds me a bit of - and I'm of course not claiming you are a part of this - holocaust denyers. There are always authors and scientists (Irving?) who will give enough substance to those freaks. There are things unclear about the holocaust and as such there are more than one theories. To them, as long as there's nobody to prove them that there was a holocaust, there never was one.
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10-18-2007, 03:31 PM
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10-18-2007, 03:44 PM
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Country: | Now that's just a theory, Dave. Quit jumping to conclusions. Perhaps it was a hierglyphic mis-translation and it was supposed to be Queensland.
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10-18-2007, 04:13 PM
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Country:  | To deny it isn't happening is in my opinion not too bright, whether it is human or cyclical is open to debate. But facts are facts the climate is changing .
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10-18-2007, 04:19 PM
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10-18-2007, 04:37 PM
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Country: | Yep, the climate is changing here as we speak. A couple of weeks ago it was nearing 90 in the daytime and now there is fresh snow on all the mountains around us. Seems like it does that every year. | |
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10-18-2007, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by renrich Yep, the climate is changing here as we speak. A couple of weeks ago it was nearing 90 in the daytime and now there is fresh snow on all the mountains around us. Seems like it does that every year. | It probably looks exactly the same every year but did it ever dawn on you that the world has a circumfrence of 24000 miles and outside your 20mile view things are not right
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10-18-2007, 05:54 PM
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Country: | and to add, Pb, the earth is millios of years old and the scientists are basing this on maybe 200 years of RECORDED weather changes. GW is happening but the causes are up to debate. And I'm not going to pay for that debate.
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Originally Posted by Njaco and to add, Pb, the earth is millios of years old and the scientists are basing this on maybe 200 years of RECORDED weather changes. GW is happening but the causes are up to debate. And I'm not going to pay for that debate. | Weather changes can be determined for thousands of years ice core samples from glaciers ,tree rings etc . But to deny the climate is not changing is foolish
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10-18-2007, 07:13 PM
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Country: | Agree. My opinion is that climate change is happening but I'm not going to lay the cause totally on man.
Like Ren, the temperature around here hovered around 90. But in the past month I have yet to see where the single daily temperatures broke daily records except maybe for one day. Most of the current record highs were from the 30s and 40s and even one from the 1890s. It doesn't make sense to me.
And to take the word of scientists as gospel is foolhardy. I refuse to be an automaton and let others make my decisions for me. Thats what the liberals want. I would rather listen to both sides of an issue and make an opinion on how I'm going to react. Thats how I'm gonna live my life. I have yet to see scientists be 100 per cent correct about an issue. If they were we would have an answer about whether eggs were good or bad for you, there wouldn't be lawsuits from FDA approved drugs that have now become dangerous for people. The list goes on. Scientists are only human like the rest and make mistakes.
Climate change (not sure I'll use the words Global Warming) is happening. I don't believe man is the total or major cause of it. And I refuse to pay for any hack program that is going to "cure" GW. I'll just wait until the answer comes out in the monthy edition of "The Sharper Image" catalog.
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10-18-2007, 07:53 PM
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Country: | And that really is the argument isn't it? Cost vs benefit? Natural vs anthropogenic changes? We contribute. Yes we do. However, our contributions vs our production output has significantly decreased as any person who lives in a large city can attest. Areas for improvement? You bet. Areas where we are pathetically negligent? You bet. But a world crisis in our lifetime based upon our contributions? Call me skeptical.
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10-18-2007, 07:54 PM
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Country: | We agree on climate change but the root cause is up to debate. But how did liberal or conservative rear it's head in this topic? It has nothing to do with partisan politics. If we were talking about gun control or socialized medicine yes but this topic no
The labeling or classification of person as a liberal or conservative based on his thinking of a particular situation is stupid and there is no other word for it.
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