Global Warming: The New Religion

[majorwoody10]

they have indoor plumbing in australia now ?? ... CRIKEY !!!

[Njaco]

I've been waiting for that for a week now. My eyes were watering reading those posts.

Renrich, I heard Christy also and I was curious why there has been no mention about Antartica. I heard it twice now and not on any mainstream media outlets.

Has anybody noticed lately in America everybody is going "green"? Its laughable.

[Maestro]

Yeah... And ironically, the politicians who have the lowest percentage of chances of being elected are the "greenest". (At least in Canada. Séphane Dion will never win the next Federal elections and he is *the* green guy of the parliement. "So long, Liberal s*cker !" )

[Civettone]

Originally Posted by renrich

One will have a hard time finding this is in the mainstream media but in the Oct. 25 edition of the WSJ there is a transcript of an interview with a CNN reporter and John Christy, a SCIENTIST, at the U of Alabama, Huntsville, who seems to have nothing but scorn for al gore and his movie, an incovenient truth. John Christy happens to be on the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and is the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace prize along with gore. He avers that he is one of the few scientists who actually put together "climate data sets" and he "does not see catastrophic changes" He also noted that CNN did not report that 2 weeks ago the Antarctic ice reached it's all time maximum size while the Arctic reached it's all time minimum size. Interesting!

Haha, co-recipient of the Nobel Peace prize? Yeah, together with 500 other people who work for the IPCC.
Talk about being biased. You take one scientist who disagrees with hundreds of others and proclaim him as being the man with the truth...

Other than that, in essence I support what this guy is saying. He basically disagrees with certain disaster scenarios which are linked with Global Warming. He does not attack the theory that there is Global Warming and that man is a major contributing factor to it. He just wants to keep things scientific, and I think that's a good thing!!

He also said something which reminded me of a post I made a while back.

But what is the economic and human price, and what is it worth given the scientific uncertainty?

That's spot on! If we invest in trying to turn the tide, we should evaluate how big the risk is of ending up with something which will cost us much more than what we are now investing to prevent it from happening. What's more worth it? 10% chance of a catastrophy, or 50% chance of limited problems? That's in a way things we deal with every day in our personal lifes, when we make decisions about every day things we do. It's measuring risks and then assessing what it's worth to take them.

Some days ago there was a report from the Kyoto Group 'Secretariat' showing that the goals for the Kyoto agreement will probably be met, though some countries are lagging behind. Especially countries in Northern Europe have done their homework. Yet, there are no indications that their economy has suffered in any way because of these investments. On the contrary, ecological technology is the fastest growing economical sector in Sweden.

It's also a good thing that the latest IPCC report gives an analysis of the economic costs of a transition to a low carbon society.

It also highlights five "reasons for concern" which are now stronger than before. This is because scientists now conclude that they may happen at lower increases in temperature or because the risks may be larger than had previously been supposed. These include the impacts on species and biodiversity hotspots as temperatures rise including polar and high mountain communities and ecosystems.

The report also flags up concern that the poor and the elderly in low-latitude and less-developed areas including those in dry areas and living on mega-deltas are likely to suffer most.

These are things which are not that obvious to us. But we too are dependent on a global ecosystem. It seems our food supply is secured with our mass agricultural overproduction. But the first to suffer will be the poor in Africa and Asia. Perhaps we should look at it more from their point of view instead of making it into a political game, a pro- or contra-Gore issue.

ENVIRONMENT: Emergency Brakes Needed to Stop Climate Crash
Kris

[Matt308]

While I certainly have compassion for those suffering in Africa, I also am subconsciously reminded of Sam Kinison.

"I'm like anyone else on this planet -- I'm very moved by world hunger. I see the same commercials, with those little kids, starving, and very depressed. I watch those kids and I go, 'Fu*k, I know the FILM crew could give this kid a sandwich!'

There's a director five feet away going, 'DON'T FEED HIM YET! GET THAT SANDWICH OUTTA HERE! IT DOESN'T WORK UNLESS HE LOOKS HUNGRY!!!'

But I'm not trying to make fun of world hunger. Matter of fact, I think I have the answer. You want to stop world hunger? Stop sending these people food. Don't send these people another bite, folks. You want to send them something, you want to help? Send them U-Hauls. Send them U-Hauls, some luggage, send them a guy out there who says,

'Hey, we been driving out here every day with your food, for, like, the last thirty or forty years, and we were driving out here today across the desert, and it occurred to us that there wouldn't BE world hunger, if you people would LIVE WHERE THE FOOD IS!
YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!
YOU LIVE IN A FU*KING DESERT!
NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE! YOU SEE THIS? HUH?

THIS IS SAND. KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW? IT'S GONNA BE SAND!
YOU LIVE IN A FU*KING DESERT!

GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR SH*T, WE'LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!

WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA -- WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM!"

[Hakenkreuz]

Japan ?

[Matt308]

Knock yourself out there, Hakenkreuz.

[Maestro]

You're right, Matt. They don't need food or water. They need a plane ticket to get the hell out of the desert !

[tpikdave]

They should move to Europe. The Euro is 138.00 against the American dollar . Go where the money is.

[Njaco]

GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR SH*T, WE'LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!

Isn't Mexico doing that ?

Matt, you're right. What was the collective wealth of those singers who made the song "We Are The World" 20 years ago? I didn't see them stumbling over each other to offset the cost.

How about instead of everyone worrying about whats happening regarding food in another country, we focus on our own. I don't think Camden is well off enough to send food packages to Rwanda (Matt, I think you know what I mean).

Back onto GW. Its nice to understand and accept that things change and things need to change. GW for whatever reasons is a fact -regardless of the severity, the reason, the blame. Its a good thing to reduce consumption of harmful gasses and and protect this little ball of rock of ours.

But lets stop with the dog and pony show.

1. Who cares who caused it. Its not stopping. Slowing it down isn't a help. When I get stabbed I don't care how fast or how slow the knife went in!

2. I'm not willing to spend extra money through taxes or product cost to support a failed scheme. You have an oil company (Company A) that produces gasoline by conforming to "green" production mandates. You have Company B that ..well..isn't so concerned. Co. A sells gas at a higher price than Co. B. Who do you think Joe Scmoe Public will go to? Its human nature to go to Company B and its human nature to bypass rules and regs. Whose gonna regulate the regulators? Kyoto is a nice little "Look what we can do!" but you're not ever going to get full compliance.

3. Ok, gas produces carbons and this needs to be reduced. Alright, lets find alternative methods. Coal - nope, will never sell with environmentalists. Nuclear - not another plant in my back yard. Agriculture - as long as people are going to be willing to pay $32 for a Big Mac with fries because crops will be high priced to the market that needs it. We're seeing that already. High-priced corn sales are starting to affect several other industries such as beef. More money out of my pocket.

I think Kyoto and all the rest would only work if you take the profit out of it. From politicians who broker "Corn Deals" in the backrooms to gas companies and Mega-farmers to auto-makers, it goes on and on. Don't work on my consecience and make me feel guilty for driving my car when your making money off this misery. Forget it.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by tpikdave

They should move to Europe. The Euro is 138.00 against the American dollar . Go where the money is.

You mean $1.38 to the Euro right?

Trust me I know I feel the effects of th Euro/Dollar. I live in Germany and get paid in US Dollars but pay all my bills in Euro...

[Civettone]

I thought it was $ 1.48...

And they don't live in the desert. The desert in Africa is like the Sahara or the Kalahari. In fact those places do have some people living in it but they aren't starving. Places like Congo, Ethiopia, Liberia, etc ... are not deserts.
Steppes are not deserts.

Plus, there is also the matter of desertification which is a result of deforestation and irresponsible agriculture. So often these people have lived in areas which were not that arid some decades ago. Moving would only move the problem to other areas.

Kris

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Civettone

I thought it was $ 1.48...

Yeah its 1.48 right now but I dont think he actually looked it up. I think he was just stating something....

[Hakenkreuz]

I do`nt care i Get paid in (shitloads) Euros

[lesofprimus]

That sucks Chris, getting paid dollars and payin bills Euros... Talk about instant inflation....

And Swastica, that was one hell of an intelligent post my man.... Impressive...