Global Warming: The New Religion

[pbfoot]

but there is more to the weather them whats occurring temp wise , I'm not sure but are the floods in the midwest US normal don't they usually occur during spring thaw. And the ice cap is going down or shrinking faster by far then predicted 5 years ago . If you live by the coast of the ocean it could rise rapidly
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic sea ice melt 'even faster'

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

but there is more to the weather them whats occurring temp wise , I'm not sure but are the floods in the midwest US normal.

The same thing happened about 16 years ago.

[Njaco]

Was that when the Mississippi flooded the whole length? That was in July wasn't it?

The only point that I would like to make is that temperature changes all the time - small fluctuations to drastic increases. Has been happening for thousands of years. I don't understand where this notion that only the ends of the earth have to be cold and the middle warm and the rest is BBQ weather. It changes. Over years, over millenium. And most scientists will admit that weather can't even be predicted in advance for a year so how are they going to predict GW?

1. Until there is concrete evidence that GW is caused by man and is reversable, its voodoo science.

2. Until that time, they can keep their hands off my money to pay for the wacko projects they want. Congress doesn't have anything better to do than mandate light bulbs made in China?????

[javlin]

I am just posting this as to info of the years of floods it was being used on another forum to kinda get a look at hurricanes to years of floods.The weather runs in patterns that once you might recognize a pattern you might be able to draw a conclusion of some sorts.My own that I like to look at is that when we have snow along the coast it's usually an active GOM season 3 out 4 times it has snowed we had NGOM strikes.It just signals a possibilty of a pattern to look at that's all.

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... index.html

Just to point out that we are having a "super" major midwest flood not unlike 1993. Also 1993 was one of the quitest seasons of the last few decades. June 2008 Midwestern U.S. floods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iowa flood of 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Floods in - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... _1901-2000

Some years that had records that where broken or coming close...Also years that had a flood over the midwest.
1913

1978

1991
Further downstream in Elkader, the river crested in the morning on Tuesday June 10 at nearly 31 feet, besting the previous record set in 1991.
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif 8 named storms.
1918

1927
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif 7 named storms.
1937
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif 9 named storms.
1945
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif 11 named storms.
1951
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif 10 named storms.
1965
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif 6 named storms.
1977
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif 6 named storms.
1983
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif 4 named storms.
1993
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... index.html 8 named storms.

1997
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif
Named storms 8 on this map and I believe a unnamed system. Making 9.

This has to do with a stream of moisture aimed at the midwest. This can have effects of more shear over the Gulf and western Atlantic, I believe. In affect hurting tropical cyclone development in these years. This year unlike 1997 is a La nina so I expect less shear over the centeral and Eastern Atlantic prviding the best activity over these area's. I expect this to be leaning towards 65% cape verde and 35% home grown activity. I also based on this data and because we have a La nina inside a active phase to be around 11-13 named storms overall as I forecasted earlier this year.

I am not the author of this a young man at Storm2k name Matt.kevin

Let me add as you can see it likes to Flood often.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

The same thing happened about 16 years ago.

So I just found out but that was a 100 year flood this one is bigger them that
Just out of curiosity what would be considered proof for GW
Remember even the President of the US now says it is fact

[tpikdave]

The Johnstown Flood disaster, or Great Flood of 1889 as it became known, occurred on May 31, 1889. Right about spot on.

[javlin]

Just out of curiosity what would be considered proof for GW
Remember even the President of the US now says it is fact

That's called pandering for votes for the Pub's.Actions speak louder than words sir and he made a hint at an executive order earlier this week to start drilling not exactly GW idea of things.The action of the pen still needs to happen though.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by javlin

Just out of curiosity what would be considered proof for GW
Remember even the President of the US now says it is fact

That's called pandering for votes for the Pub's.Actions speak louder than words sir and he made a hint at an executive order earlier this week to start drilling not exactly GW idea of things.The action of the pen still needs to happen though.

What has GW got to do with drilling off shore ....squat ....there are far to many changes going on in the world to be considered coincidence

[javlin]

In the US the Dem's are beholden to much of the enviromentalist movement which also happens to be in the corner of the GW crowd.I myself see little relation as nothing more than a cycle the Earth has been through probably countless times.The fact is that our records of actual data on the weather of earth and temps is what maybe 150yrs and the Earth is 4-6 billions years old not even a blink in time.This issue can be looked at for all care as long it does not reguire me to change my lifestyle and rob the bank account of the US Treasury.I for one am not interested in funding the research.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by javlin

In the US the Dem's are beholden to much of the enviromentalist movement which also happens to be in the corner of the GW crowd.I myself see little relation as nothing more than a cycle the Earth has been through probably countless times.The fact is that our records of actual data on the weather of earth and temps is what maybe 150yrs and the Earth is 4-6 billions years old not even a blink in time.This issue can be looked at for all care as long it does not reguire me to change my lifestyle and rob the bank account of the US Treasury.I for one am not interested in funding the research.

Actually your incorrect they are able to determine the past weather reasonably accurately by checking tree rings and the various layers of the ice cap amongst other methods.
The possibilities us North Americans are missing in developing technology due to our privledged or spoiled status in the world will cost us big time as other places like the EU develop technologies we will be forced to buy. Think about the spinoffs of the space program and if the US put there mind GW it could be the equivilant .

[Danielmellbin]

Originally Posted by javlin

This issue can be looked at for all care as long it does not reguire me to change my lifestyle and rob the bank account of the US Treasury.I for one am not interested in funding the research.

hehe - is there anythingthing left in that treasury?
(sorry - cheapshot - I know)

When the climate starts changing just at the time humans start to release trillions of tons of extra gasses - industrial emisions, private emissions and the population increases 100% (3-6 billion) in 40 years with the increased livestock and other things that imply... Its a pretty long shot to call it coincidence.

As for changing lifestyle - we would need 9 planets to supply a western lifestyle for all people on the planet. With the rising wealth in China this is becoming a problem and fast.


anyway - when an overwhelming majority of experts say something I'm inclined to agree or atleast follow their advice.

[javlin]

Originally Posted by Danielmellbin

hehe - is there anythingthing left in that treasury?
(sorry - cheapshot - I know)

When the climate starts changing just at the time humans start to release trillions of tons of extra gasses - industrial emisions, private emissions and the population increases 100% (3-6 billion) in 40 years with the increased livestock and other things that imply... Its a pretty long shot to call it coincidence.

As for changing lifestyle - we would need 9 planets to supply a western lifestyle for all people on the planet. With the rising wealth in China this is becoming a problem and fast.


anyway - when an overwhelming majority of experts say something I'm inclined to agree or atleast follow their advice.

I like that and yea it's empty

[trackend]

Originally Posted by Danielmellbin

anyway - when an overwhelming majority of experts say something I'm inclined to agree or atleast follow their advice.

Agreed if you do follow their advice the consequences if they are wrong will be far less that if you dont do anything and they are right.
IMO ignoring or just refusing to believe (what is now)the collective scientific majority will not make the problem go away, if you keep filling your trash can at some point it will overflow.
We all like our cars and material things but if the bullet is not bitten and we don't rethink things we will be condeming future generations to a very gloomy time.

[javlin]

Here is an interesting page of things GW is responsible for such as acne,cancer deaths England,crocodile sex?brains shrink?oh pleezzze.Why so many claims?could it possibily be they are looking for funds for research?Regardless alot of senseless claims by many around the world.

warmlist

[renrich]

It has been reported that the Antarctic ice cap is the thickest that has ever been measured. Please explain that in the light of "global warming." Climate change is not an opinion, it is a fact, whether it is caused by the actions of man is an opinion.