Global Warming: The New Religion

[JugBR]

some people likes THC, others get stoned with Co2

[tpikdave]

Originally Posted by Aussie1001

well we want you to stop producing Co2 emissions but you can't ruin the scenery or kill a few bats.... what a load of crap

The key phrase is " a relatively SMALL AMOUNT of electric power produced. (By giant ugly, noisy, inefficient wind turbines).

Solar arrays and wind turbine farms inflict their huge footprint on our landscape. IMHO, nuclear power is the only way to go. It takes just a tiny amount of real estate to build and operate a nuclear plant

[renrich]

I think dave is right. Solar power and windpower take an enormous amount of space and the sun and wind are intermittent plus the power has to be transmitted to where the people are which poses other problems. There are a number of wind power installations in West Texas where wind is fairly constant but there are few people out there. Nuclear power is a better answer.

[Danielmellbin]

Originally Posted by tpikdave

The key phrase is " a relatively SMALL AMOUNT of electric power produced. (By giant ugly, noisy, inefficient wind turbines).

Solar arrays and wind turbine farms inflict their huge footprint on our landscape. IMHO, nuclear power is the only way to go. It takes just a tiny amount of real estate to build and operate a nuclear plant

Well its a relatively vague key phrase then A modern wind turbine generates up to 6MW of power - lets say 5 to make the math easier. A fossile fuel plant delivers about 800MW of power (some higher some lower). So that means it will take 160 windmills to generate as much power as a normal fuel plant. All things considered it isn't that many (especially if they are backed by solar, water or whatever). As for noise and view - just don't put 'em where they look ugly or annoy people with their noise. And wherever they are placed eventually - it is - IMO - actually a pretty beuatifull sight.

Nuclear is 2nd best as I see it - problem is: Where do you wan't to put the waste? And then there is chance (however unlikely) of an accident. I remember when I was 4'ish and Tjernobyl blew skyhigh - thankfully my hypocondriac mother had iodine pills

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by Danielmellbin

Well its a relatively vague key phrase then A modern wind turbine generates up to 6MW of power - lets say 5 to make the math easier. A fossile fuel plant delivers about 800MW of power (some higher some lower). So that means it will take 160 windmills to generate as much power as a normal fuel plant. All things considered it isn't that many (especially if they are backed by solar, water or whatever). As for noise and view - just don't put 'em where they look ugly or annoy people with their noise. And wherever they are placed eventually - it is - IMO - actually a pretty beuatifull sight.

Nuclear is 2nd best as I see it - problem is: Where do you wan't to put the waste? And then there is chance (however unlikely) of an accident. I remember when I was 4'ish and Tjernobyl blew skyhigh - thankfully my hypocondriac mother had iodine pills

for me, nuclear is better and cleaner than burn coal ou oil to generate eletricity. i believe to use in cars today the better choice is sugarcane´s(not corn) ethanol.

the problem is, we had the disaster of chernobyl in 86, so is better always take care with nuclear and also, a country like iran alegates their nuclear program is for peaceful reasons, but who knows ? so we have to consider nuclear proliferation as an issue.

some people says when scientists discover how to handle nuclear fusion(not fission) nuclear power will be even more eficient and less poluant. but isnt that true we have a gigantic nuclear fusions reactor 150 milion kilometers from us ? why dont use the sun more wisely ?

[Njaco]

Dan, the point I was trying to make is that no matter what the alternative energy source is, there are gonna be those that protest and complain - and not just 1% fringe groups

As for noise and view - just don't put 'em where they look ugly or annoy people with their noise.

like ANWR?

[renrich]

The US Navy has been operating nuclear reactors since the 1950s and have had few if any nuclear accidents.

[FLYBOYJ]

BTW - I read an article yesterday saying that global warming may cause an increase in kidney stones!

[Danielmellbin]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Dan, the point I was trying to make is that no matter what the alternative energy source is, there are gonna be those that protest and complain - and not just 1% fringe groups



like ANWR?

hehe - hey I'm not gonna bug you fine people about where to put 'em


As for complaints - yup - there always will be. But I'll pay more atention to the environmental complaints than to the conveniency complaints.


Ren - yea - nuclear power is pretty safe in our parts of the world. But in a stand up show I saw some time ago a guy said something that sums up my opnion on it:

"People tell me its safer to fly than to drive... Thats a lie right? Cuz if your car stalls you don't fall out of the sky"

I just don't like it - admitedly I might be slighty irrational on the safety issue - but the risk nomatter how tiny it is, just scares the crap out of me. A more rational concern (atleast when regarding western countries) is the waste - we can slab it in concrete and bury it - but other than that not much...

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Danielmellbin

"People tell me its safer to fly than to drive... Thats a lie right? Cuz if your car stalls you don't fall out of the sky"

Apples and oranges.....

[Danielmellbin]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Apples and oranges.....

erm - i know - that was the joke

[FLYBOYJ]

I know -

[Njaco]

and a good one at that!

Dan, you're right you can find anybody to complain about anything but some of those people can have very influential groups behind them like the Sierra Club, PETA...the list goes on and on. And they do influence the lawmakers. Our excess' requires energy. Thats a hunger that has to be fed. How to satisfy everyone is very difficult.

We've left the barn door open way too long to complain now that the fox is inside.

[tpikdave]

Hmm, I don't remember mentioning ANWR as a possible site for a nuclear plant? Come to think of it, Atlantic City would be a prime location.

[magnocain]

How about San Francisco. Freak them out a bit.