Global Warming: The New Religion

[renrich]

E mac, A lot of common sense in your posts. Your situation in Australia is similar to the central part of the US known as the Great Plains. Anyone familiar with the history of the Great Plains will tell you that through all of history there have been periods of drought and higher than normal(whatever that is) temperatures followed by wet periods and cooler temps. When the Great Plains was first settled it was in a wet period and farmers and ranchers thought it was a paradise. Guess what, in a few years a drought hit and most of the farmers went broke. Actually until dryland farming and irrigation methods were adopted the Great Plains was not a good place for cultivation of crops. Drought is a natural condition of that area and much of Texas is in the Great Plains. There have been two major droughts in the Great Plains since I was born. One was going on when I was born, in the 30s(the dust bowl) another from 1950-57, and we may be entering another right now. Naturally the chicken littles that are predicting the great new drought in the US are attributing it to Global Warming.

[pbfoot]

US military Leaders forecast some minor inconvieniences due to warming
Apr 15, 2007 09:22 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) – Global warming poses a "serious threat to America's national security" with terrorism worsening and the U.S. will likely be dragged into fights over water and other shortages, top retired military leaders warn in a new report.

Joining calls already made by scientists and environmental activists, the retired U.S. military leaders, including the former Army chief of staff and President Bush's former chief Middle East peace negotiator, called on the U.S. government to make major cuts in emissions of gases that cause global warming.

The report warned that in the next 30 to 40 years there will be wars over water, increased hunger instability from worsening disease and rising sea levels and global warming-induced refugees. "The chaos that results can be an incubator of civil strife, genocide and the growth of terrorism," the 35-page report predicted.

"Climate change exacerbates already unstable situations," former U.S. Army chief of staff Gordon Sullivan told Associated Press Radio. "Everybody needs to start paying attention to what's going on. I don't think this is a particularly hard sell in the Pentagon. ... We're paying attention to what those security implications are."

Gen. Anthony "Tony" Zinni, Bush's former Middle East envoy, said in the report: "It's not hard to make the connection between climate change and instability, or climate change and terrorism."

The report was issued by the Alexandria, Va.-based, national security think-tank The CNA Corporation and was written by six retired admirals and five retired generals. They warned of a future of rampant disease, water shortages and flooding that will make already dicey areas – such as the Middle East, Asia and Africa – even worse.

"Weakened and failing governments, with an already thin margin for survival, foster the conditions for internal conflicts, extremism and movement toward increased authoritarianism and radical ideologies," the report said. "The U.S. will be drawn more frequently into these situations."

In a veiled reference to Bush's refusal to join an international treaty to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the report said the U.S. government "must become a more constructive partner" with other nations to fight global warming and cope with its consequences.

The Bush administration has declined mandatory emission cuts in favour of voluntary methods. Other nations have committed to required reductions that kick in within a few years.

"We will pay for this one way or another," wrote Zinni, former commander of U.S. Central Command. "We will pay to reduce greenhouse gas emissions today, and we'll have to take an economic hit of some kind. Or we will pay the price later in military terms. And that will involve human lives. There will be a human toll."

Top climate scientists said the report makes sense and increased national security risk is a legitimate global warming side-effect.

The report is "pretty impressive," but may be too alarmist because it may take longer than 30 years for some of these things to happen, said Stanford scientist Terry Root, a co-author of this month's international scientific report on the effects of global warming on life on Earth.

But the instability will happen sometime, Root agreed.

"We're going to have a war over water," Root said. "There's just not going to be enough water around for us to have for us to need to live with and to provide for the natural environment."

University of Victoria climate scientist Andrew Weaver said the military officers were smart to highlight the issue of refugees who flee unstable areas because of global warming.

"There will be tens of millions of people migrating, where are we going to put them?" Weaver said.

Weaver said that over the past years, scientists, who by nature are cautious, have been attacked by conservative activists when warning about climate change. This shows that it's not a liberal-conservative issue, Weaver said.

[Ajax]

Good post PB; this is getting to be more complicated than first thought..

[Civettone]

I didn't read through this thread but I have a feeling it's critical of Global Warming. My personal opinion is that I am no scientist, and even if I was it would only be my opinion. As 95% of scientists agree that there is global warming going on, I am going to follow them even though there are several studies and serious scientists who are opposed against the phenomenon, or at least some part of it. I have faith in large international organisations such as the UNCP, IPCC, UNFCCC or WHO which agree that there is global warming and that it's probably anthropogenic.

Kris

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

So you see us people that eat meat are helping fight Global Warming. We kill off the cows that fart that methane **** into the air...

[Matt308]

Originally Posted by Civettone

I didn't read through this thread but I have a feeling it's critical of Global Warming. My personal opinion is that I am no scientist, and even if I was it would only be my opinion. As 95% of scientists agree that there is global warming going on, I am going to follow them even though there are several studies and serious scientists who are opposed against the phenomenon, or at least some part of it. I have faith in large international organisations such as the UNCP, IPCC, UNFCCC or WHO which agree that there is global warming and that it's probably anthropogenic.

Kris

95%? Hmmm...

[Civettone]

Yeah, and eating vegetables also creates more gas! Up with the carnivores!

Kris

[Erich]

both give me gas that is why I have turned my life totally over to eating bugs and roots ........ but first sifted through a bio-filter

[Matt308]

[Matt308]

Reminds me of the guy that Art Bell interviewed on Sunday night. Major Dames, Remote Viewer Extraordinaire. He claims that a major asteroid is heading our way. He is moving to the Ukraine and is raising worms and algae for future sustenance once the killshot occurs. Man, that's a life worth living. Worms and algae. Mmmmm.

[timshatz]

Originally Posted by Matt308

He claims that a major asteroid is heading our way.

Did he happen to mention when it would get here? If it's not going to make it in another 5 million years, I'm crossing it off my list of things to worry about. But I suspect, given that the guy is moving to Ukraine and all that, it is expect sooner. Got a date? Should I pay my electric bill? If yes, should I pay my taxes (next year's, this year's is done)? Should I plan for retirement?

Just wondering.

[Erich]

actually I heard this as a kid back in the 1960's when were waiting for the big purge by Krushev. Think if I remember right Kennedy was trying some idea of harnessing the power of the asteroid to strike Moscow dead center

sounds like Art and I have similar diet strategies

and Tim no do not pay your taxes in advance even if they are estimated and retirement is out of the question you will never retire like myself

[Matt308]

Originally Posted by timshatz

Did he happen to mention when it would get here? If it's not going to make it in another 5 million years, I'm crossing it off my list of things to worry about. But I suspect, given that the guy is moving to Ukraine and all that, it is expect sooner. Got a date? Should I pay my electric bill? If yes, should I pay my taxes (next year's, this year's is done)? Should I plan for retirement?

Just wondering.

2042 or some such. He claims "they" know. "They" being the hidden the secret illuminati cross and bones meat packing glitteratti.

He claims a more nearterm wheat fungus that is making the rounds will force us to grow food in biospheres or underground. Chaos. Mayhem. Death. Destructions. Cats loving dogs. You get the picture.

[pbfoot]

asteroid 99942 Apophis should impact or pass between the moon and earth on Friday the 13th 2032 this date may have changed alittle since I first heard about it
if it passes between the earth and the moon the gravitational pull may alter its course
99942 Apophis (2004 MN4) Impact Risk

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by Civettone

I didn't read through this thread but I have a feeling it's critical of Global Warming. My personal opinion is that I am no scientist, and even if I was it would only be my opinion. As 95% of scientists agree that there is global warming going on, I am going to follow them even though there are several studies and serious scientists who are opposed against the phenomenon, or at least some part of it. I have faith in large international organisations such as the UNCP, IPCC, UNFCCC or WHO which agree that there is global warming and that it's probably anthropogenic.

Kris

Kris you are entitled to think and believe what you like about global warming. Personally myself I believe its so much hogwash and bullshit. But that is my opinion