Global Warming: The New Religion

pbfoot · 08-11-2008, 04:15 PM

And scratch a conservative and you'll find some one with little social conscience , you won't have to wait a 1000 years for GW give it 10

FLYBOYJ · 08-11-2008, 04:21 PM

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And scratch a conservative and you'll find some one with little social conscience , you won't have to wait a 1000 years for GW give it 10

Yep - it's been 25 years since we heard acid rain was destroying half the world as well, don't here too much of that these days.

pbfoot · 08-11-2008, 04:26 PM

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Yep - it's been 25 years since we heard acid rain was destroying half the world as well, don't here too much of that these days.

yep the 25000 lakes in this province are back alive the PH values are where they should be , no thanks to this province where we have the dirtiest coal generating station going and thanks to prompt action the Ozone hole is not getting any larger

FLYBOYJ · 08-11-2008, 04:32 PM

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yep the 25000 lakes in this province are back alive the PH values are where they should be , no thanks to this province where we have the dirtiest coal generating station going and thanks to prompt action the Ozone hole is not getting any larger

But how is that as the reductions in both airborne pollutants and ozone burning hydrocarbons were not going to help anything? I could remember folks saying in 1985 that the damage was already done and things were going to get worse - but have they? Were they that bad to begin with? Did the rational legislative approach to the problem (that extremists rarely agree with) actually work or was the problem a lot less than advertised?????

pbfoot · 08-11-2008, 05:23 PM

Obviously the lakes are far better and the Ozone hole is not growing both problems were solved by legislation by replacing freon and cutting down on the sulphur emmisions that caused the acidity I can go up to the cottage and the fish are back and life has returned to the lake.
I wish you American guys were not so preeoccupied with Al Gore and looked past him , Since you are the only ones that seem to think he is the Global spokesmen but is not mentioned in ref to that up here or probably anywhere else,
For the life of i can't figure out why the greatest nation on earth cannot take the ball and run with as to reap the benefits of future technologies or are you going to stand pat and let your various industries fall back like the auto industry

renrich · 08-11-2008, 06:22 PM

What you call social conscience, I call pandering to voters who are so lazy and worthless they won't take responsibility for their own actions and poor judgment. We spent billions of dollars on social programs during the Great Society passed by the dimocrats and Lyndon Johnson and all it did was breed more welfare recipients. What benefits from future technologies and please describe these future technologies while you are at it? One reason our auto industry is in decline is because they are burdened by labor unions you no doubt support.

pbfoot · 08-11-2008, 07:45 PM

What technology and spin offs
1 Hydrogen Fuel cells and the infrastructure that would be req'd
2 Wind power
3 Solar power
4 Geo thermal power
5Tidal power
6 ceramic engines
all these would require manufacturing
As for deriding those less fortunate then you because there own poor judgement well I find that to be callous todays society is much different then when you or I were going through early life it is a much tougher game and I think you are out of touch on this fact
Btw I managed to get the union (decertified) out of the place I'm employed so once again you assume incorrectly .

Flyboy2 · 08-11-2008, 08:13 PM

Here's the thing.... Humans are naturally terrified of what they can't understand and will jump on the bandwagon with anybody who can explain things. I have no problems with the educated people that actually agree with global warming, its the uneducated man that just jumps on the bandwagon that I have issues with... Obviously you've thought about this PB but personally it seems to me like the Ice Age scare a few decades past, I wasn't around then, but I haven't frozen yet.

One thing i must agree with you PB is that we should switch to alternate energy sources, if not for the GW ratifications. Less money I have to pay for gas the better

FLYBOYJ · 08-11-2008, 08:15 PM

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Obviously the lakes are far better and the Ozone hole is not growing both problems were solved by legislation by replacing freon and cutting down on the sulphur emmisions that caused the acidity I can go up to the cottage and the fish are back and life has returned to the lake.

And it was resolved by SENSIBLE legislation, not off the cuff extreme reaction like those environmentalist of the 1980s wanted.

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I wish you American guys were not so preeoccupied with Al Gore and looked past him , Since you are the only ones that seem to think he is the Global spokesmen but is not mentioned in ref to that up here or probably anywhere else,

When I look past Al Gore I see a Gulfstream and a bullshit artist. But here's the real deal, he's a sell out - you yourself said you didn't know much about Kyoto - look into it and what it would of cost the US in terms of dollars, jobs and sovereignty - something you Canadian guys have spoken up a lot about over the years! Only the Australian PM saw Kyoto for the crap that it was!

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For the life of I can't figure out why the greatest nation on earth cannot take the ball and run with as to reap the benefits of future technologies or are you going to stand pat and let your various industries fall back like the auto industry

That's where you're 100% wrong - it's happening as we speak, you come to my part of the world and see all the "environmentally frienndly technology and alternate fuels" being developed and after this summer Detroit will get the message (as they did in 1979) Sure it's big business (alternate fuel and vehicles) but instead of jumping into things immediately the right thing to do is to ween into it as it has been discussed that no one can accurately predict the worse case scenarios of GW. In the US there are 6 million people employed in the oil industry, do we lay them all off and have them immediately start growing corn or making solar panels? I think not!

Flyboy2 · 08-11-2008, 08:18 PM

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That's where you're 100% wrong - it's happening as we speak, you come to my part of the world and see all the "environmentally frienndly technology and alternate fuels"

Amen! All I here about is enviromental friendly air conditioning units, manufacturing techniques, and I'm pretty sure I'm paying more for all this enviromental nonsense

pbfoot · 08-11-2008, 08:46 PM

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That's where you're 100% wrong - it's happening as we speak, you come to my part of the world and see all the "environmentally frienndly technology and alternate fuels" being developed and after this summer Detroit will get the message (as they did in 1979) Sure it's big business (alternate fuel and vehicles) but instead of jumping into things immediately the right thing to do is to ween into it as it has been discussed that no one can accurately predict the worse case scenarios of GW. In the US there are 6 million people employed in the oil industry, do we lay them all off and have them immediately start growing corn or making solar panels? I think not!

And I believe you are incorrect we are light years behind Europe and Japan in most areas particularly in the automotive sector
You use corn as an example its one of the worst things to use for ethanol as its very pricey in energy costs to produce
The next technology leap in the automotive sector will be who manages to get a cheap and efficient ceramic engine

FLYBOYJ · 08-11-2008, 08:59 PM

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And I believe you are incorrect we are light years behind Europe and Japan in most areas particularly in the automotive sector

Right now we are and it's not light years - you think the share holders of both Ford and GM are going to tolerate the recent losses?

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You use corn as an example its one of the worst things to use for ethanol as its very pricey in energy costs to produce

Yes it is, ever hear of Switch Grass????
Chemical & Engineering News: Latest News - Ethanol From Switch Grass Deemed Feasible

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The next technology leap in the automotive sector will be who manages to get a cheap and efficient ceramic engine

That either gets 80 MPG or doesn't burn gasoline

Njaco · 08-11-2008, 09:06 PM

But corn is what the dimocrats are pushing down here Pb! I agree its wasted as an alternative but how about sugar cane? South Anmerican countries seem to have supplanted their industry with it, why can't we? When this stupid congress continues to have tariffs on sugar ethanol and not on the oil, it just proves they don't even believe the BS they want us to believe. I agree that we need to change our energy habits but there has been no viable solution. Idiots complain about oil rigs destroying the beaches. Idiots complain about how wind mills destroy the LOOK of the land. On and on. Its madness!

pbfoot · 08-11-2008, 09:54 PM

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Yes it is, ever hear of Switch Grass????

yep I've mentioned it several times

FLYBOYJ · 08-11-2008, 10:15 PM

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yep I've mentioned it several times

There's at least 5 R&D refineries being built about 40 miles to the north of me. The stuff grows everywhere in the mid west - BTW I was using the corn line as an example, but ACO is correct - look what the Democrats here are pushing.

For what its worth, the only politician who even brought up switch grass in the US???

Bush!