Global Warming: The New Religion

Gnomey · 04-19-2007, 05:50 AM

Global Warming is happening that is something we are going to have to deal with but it isn't solely down to man influences (nor will it be as bad as some make it out to be). I believe the earth is going through a period of global warming (we are due one having been in a "cool" period for the last millennia or so). However this process is being affected by man - making the warming more pronounced - as a result people are getting worked up about something which will probably even itself out in another millennia or so. I for one don't fully believe in global warming as a product of man (this is coming from a biologist) and believe there is a lot more to it than just us pumping gases into the atmosphere. Most of what I have read here is pointless back and forth stuff from people who are in one camp or the other on this subject and will never agree (nor agree to disagree). The Earth is warming, yes but it isn't solely the bi-product of our industrialisation, in time the Earth will cool again (we are overdue the next ice age by a good millennia or so - this might come when the Gulf Stream stops as a result of the ice cap melting). But what does it matter mine is just one opinion of 6 billion (or whom most don't give a damn - perhaps because they are Chinese or Indian but that isn't really the point)...

plan_D · 04-19-2007, 06:29 AM

It's all a big lie, the Earth is warming but only a fraction is due to mankind. The reason the Left are telling you all it's your fault is so they can tax you! Ever noticed that they never say its the governments fault, here in Britain, ever noticed that there's no government incentives to buy solar panels by reducing cost on them, or reducing costs on hybrid cars? Ever noticed that it's all "increase tax" and "buy locally" - it's to improve the economy and is all a load of BS!

The British government are loving this; it's so the British uphold the British economy, while believing they're saving the planet! If it was true the government would supply us with solar panels for our house, build thousands more renewable resources, pay us for recycling and actually burn most of the waste in landfills for energy (and yes, the toxic fumes can be caught...many industrial processes do it) ... but no, the government doesn't think the cost is worth saving the planet, on the contrary ... they're making money off the BS panic! When the freeze comes and goes, buy a heavy-duty coat and rubber dinghy 'n' you'll be fine.

renrich · 04-19-2007, 09:09 AM

Oh, to be 28 years old again and to know it all!

FLYBOYJ · 04-19-2007, 09:16 AM

Hey, I knew it all at 18....

Matt308 · 04-19-2007, 10:23 AM

From the Purveyors of BS...

Welcome to the UN. It's your world.
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Friday 02 February 2007-New report blames global warming on human activity

Global warming caused by human activity is real and will be with us for hundreds of years.

That according to a landmark report released in Paris Friday by scientists from more than a hundred countries.
The dire report says man-made emissions of greenhouse gases can be blamed for the problems of rising sea-levels, melting ice caps, fewer cold days, hotter nights, heat waves, floods and heavy rains, devastating droughts and an increase in the strength of hurricanes and tropical storms.
And if you think it is bad now, the report warns that the harmful effects during the 21st century "would very likely be larger than those observed during the 20th century."
A senior United States government scientist, Susan Solomon, says global concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased markedly.

"The increases in carbon dioxide are primarily due to fossil fuel use and land use, while those of methane and nitrous oxide are due to agriculture."
The long-awaited report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change only addresses how and why the planet is warming. Another report by the panel later this year will address the most effective measures for slowing global warming.

So what is it about my argument Civvy that you don't understand? Global Warming doomsayers claim man is the primary cause of rising temps. Your own crackpot report asserts this claim. Your continued arguments in this and other threads is tiresome, repetative and lacking cohert direction. Posts contrary to your point of view are nitpicked for nuance that are utterly irrelavant to the discussion and then, in typical liberal fashion, pursued with packdog mentality until those participating have forgotten what spawned the argument to begin with. I've answered your questions, you don't read my ****ing posts, or you choose to selectively read them as you see fit. I started this thread with the assertion that the video made some rather good arguments, by respected world recognized scientists, and the thrust of those arguments appears to be lost upon you and your 28 years of higher education.

So like you, I'm done. Our sparring is over. I can no longer argue with emotion. Your contributions have been truly a mindF. As one of America's most highly respected intellects, Forrest Gump, once said, "Thayat's awl I hayave to say about thayat".

pbfoot · 04-19-2007, 10:52 AM

Matt is everything that counters your beliefs a product of the Liberal mind that doesn't make for a very bright engineer . Here again is the link for the possible asteroid striking earth in 2032 maybe you can mock the JPL as a liberal dupe

99942 Apophis (2004 MN4) Impact Risk

Matt308 · 04-19-2007, 11:12 AM

No Pb. Not everything that I disagree with is liberal based. But damn sure a lot of it. As an engineer, I have a very acute problem with people who make emotional arguments that science and logical discussion CANNOT refute. I cannot convince you, Pb, that your penis is adequate if you emotionally believe it is not.

And my comments about an asteroid were not based upon refuting a JPL assessment. There are many asteroids that are being tracked. My comment, if you will reread my thread, was based upon a Major Ed Dames, being interviewed by Art Bell. You obviously are not familiar with these two or the humor in my post would have been obvious. Art Bell hosts a radio show that focuses upon alien abductions, ghosts, holes to the center of the earth, and UFOs. Major Ed Dames is a "renowned" remote viewer. Think of him as a clairvoyant/soothsayer. He has been predicting the destruction of the earth since I first heard him in the early 90s.

So in summary. I have little respect for liberal mindset and beliefs. I do not believe that gov't is the salvation of mankind. I do not believe that a neurosurgeon and a janitor should receive equal pay. I do not believe that everyone on this planet is a contributor. I do not believe that emotional positions are irrefutable. And I do not believe that more social programs and taxes will lead us to prosperity.

What redeeming qualities of the liberal mindset is unique to liberalism and you find warrants their unflagging support?

Civettone · 04-19-2007, 11:50 AM

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So what is it about my argument Civvy that you don't understand? Global Warming doomsayers claim man is the primary cause of rising temps.

Matt, you said scientists say man was solely responsible. I said That's not what they're trying to prove. The question is: is it mainly anthropogenic?

Then you go and show me that it's mainly anthropogenic. Thus you're saying I am right you are wrong but you don't seem to realize that.

Global Warming doomsayers claim man is the primary cause of rising temps.

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It's all a big lie, the Earth is warming but only a fraction is due to mankind. The reason the Left are telling you all it's your fault is so they can tax you! Ever noticed that they never say its the governments fault, here in Britain, ever noticed that there's no government incentives to buy solar panels by reducing cost on them, or reducing costs on hybrid cars?

So GW is all a big lie because the British government is not doing what it should do fight it? That's strange logic if you ask me.

I myself have doubts about GW and the effects on it. And millions of people like you and I have our ideas about it all. But if large international organisations of scientists come to this conclusion, I have to admit that I know very little about it. So to me it's not a matter of believers and non-believers. It's about people who believe in science and who don't.
Kris

pbfoot · 04-19-2007, 12:50 PM

Nor does anybody with any modicum of sense believe all jobs are equal but sometimes sacrifices for the common good make sense . I tend to believe many news stories are sensationalizd more so in the US then elsewhere
Are you willing to gamble that your kids future might be in danger because we ignore warnings or signs that we disagree with .such as global warming . I think I'm rational and like to investigate both sides of the story , check out the bibliography of who wrote what and why . The video you presented was very interesting and made many valid points ,I checked out some of the folks who made the case and it made me a bit leary of some of them . We have problems whether they are man made or not I tend to think they are more influenced by man rather then nature that is my opinion it is not liberal and nor am I.
you don't have to go far to find major changes the arctic climate is changing rapidly hence the food chain is being altered what are the long term reprecussions... we don't know are you willing to bet your kids future on it

Matt308 · 04-19-2007, 02:33 PM

We gamble with our future everyday by the decisions, or lack of decisions, the we undertake. All too often, we encounter folks who argue with emotions such as, "are you willing to gamble your kids life on that position". That is exactly the emotional argument that I find so offensive. It reminds me of safety investigators (NTSB) who make findings demanding changes to aircraft, operations, procedures or ground automation and expect a blind following. Why? Because "what don't you like about safety"? Well, BS on that.

Does man influence global warming, You bet he does. Am I willing to bankrupt or compromise social/political/economic freedom to remove that contribution? Not with the evidence that I have seen do date. I cannot make a logical leap that man's contribution is of the magnitude that the UN report espouses. And thus, I am willing to accept the risk that my position may inadvertantly impact my children's lives. However, I believe that risk to be exceptionally low and do not intend to lose sleep over my decision.

However, Pb, I am always open to changing that position if further facts come to light. I'm just not willing to make that leap today. I believe that currently this is fear-mongering power grab attempt by those who just want to social engineer the haves versus the have-nots. I'm not buying it. Just like I didn't buy the ice age scare in the early 70s, the killer bees in the late 70s, the polar shifts, etc.

Civettone · 04-19-2007, 04:01 PM

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. Am I willing to bankrupt or compromise social/political/economic freedom to remove that contribution?

Why would you have to give up your freedom by reducing CO² emissions?

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Not with the evidence that I have seen do date. I cannot make a logical leap that man's contribution is of the magnitude that the UN report espouses.

Did you read the latest report? As you do not base your objections on science, you base it on emotions (or common sense as some would call it).

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However, Pb, I am always open to changing that position if further facts come to light.

Somehow I doubt it. You'll simply ignore them or base your opinion on scientists and articles which will always be around to oppose the consensus of IPFCC, UNEP, WHO and other international scientific organisations.

Kris

Matt308 · 04-19-2007, 04:06 PM

FLYBOYJ · 04-19-2007, 04:23 PM

Folks, there's no denying the earth is warming - as stated by many, is it happening naturally or is it man made? Is it really going to affect us? In my part of the world there have been many discussions and the only real impact we're going to see is shorter winters. There is a lot of politicking and a lot of people who have their interests at stake with regards to this; any yes there will be money to be made either by taxing those who allegedly produce greenhouse gasses or by those producing products which will be "anti GW." I think the real goal is to get an accurate and non-biased reading of this by the scientific community and so far I don't see that....

pbfoot · 04-19-2007, 04:29 PM

It'll be great for us as well nice warm weather and lots of water to bad about Northern Europe cooling

Wildcat · 04-20-2007, 02:43 AM

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It'll be great for us as well nice warm weather and lots of water to bad about Northern Europe cooling

Might be great for you guys up there, but if the average temp. keeps rising it'll be bad for us. Already most of the country is on tight water restrictions, and the Murray River (Biggest river in Oz) is drying up.
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