Global Warming: The New Religion

[freebird]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I certainly think there is more to the subject but I think that we as humans are not helping the matter.

Yep especially this one....

[snafud1]

LOL! Love it.

[plan_D]

Working in the mail sorting office is a terrible thing but I do see some interesting mail - one such piece reminded me of this thread... it was a Mensa magazine which is mailed to members every month ... first off I was shocked that there were people in Mensa living in Doncaster ! But then the front cover had on it "Why we should forget about 'Global Warming'" And a little sub note saying something along the lines of "it's bollocks" ... (my low IQ words of course) ... now, the GENIUS group of this world is saying its bollocks ... I don't know if you all feel the same but I'd rather believe people with IQs of 3,000,006 than politicians and pop stars with just the IQ of 6 ... if they're lucky.

[Njaco]

I'm with you. Doug just sent me positive proof of Global Warming though.

[Topf]

Originally Posted by renrich

I would not believe Al Gore if he told me day was light and night was dark. He is, like the democrat party, morally and intellectualy bankrupt.

Yes, exactly

[davparlr]

There has been some concern regarding a reduction in global temperature. Here is one.

Newsmax.com - NASA Says Climate Shifting to Cooler Temperatures

Also, a correlation of sunspots and global temperature has been made in that the “Little Ice Age” of a few hundred years ago was a period of very low sunspots. It has been said that fewer sunspots indicate a lower sun temperature. A period of increased sunspot activity was forecast to start at the end of 07, first part of 08. This has not occurred and is now projected for 09. It this does not occur, we could be in for an extended period of cooler temperatures, which would be a significantly more dangerous than global warming.

So, watch the sun, we may be rooting for more CO2.

Solar and Heliospheric Observatory Homepage

[tpikdave]

EEeeeeeeeK Global Cooling.....Global Cooling!!! It doesn't matter to me anyway, I'm old and there is a Tsunami off my coast that has my name on it. In fact the wonderful folks at the Oregon Dept. of Transportation decided to put up signs along hwy101 informing those driving through as to when they are entering or leaving a designated Tsunami zone. As you can imagine, the folks driving through at 60mph are not interested, but the signs do wonders to scare potential property buyers. So far in the last 7 years ODOT has only had to replace each individual sign about 20 times each. You see, almost every homeowner on the coast has a chain saw.

[Aussie1001]

Well it's an interesting topic, on one side we have societies greenies (who typically live in the city) saying that if in Australia we get rid of all the cattle in our country we could halve our emissions by one third. That came from one journalist from a popular brisbane newspaper The Courier Mail. What happens next is all the people in the city say yes that is a good idea lets get rid of all the cattle in Australia. With ideas like this flying around it is almost becoming like the days of the inquisition in the medieivial times where someone who gets called Witch gets burned, no proof needed !!!

[Heinz]

Its more a knee jerk reaction nevertheless its a stupid and completely useless idea. I have always said thought global warming or not alternative energy should be looked into and used to its maximum. I mean the more power the better. Once set up and running fossil fuels may even come down to the prices we were once used to.

[pbfoot]

decided to post this in the global warming thread rather them US politics

"We've documented a 22 per cent decline in the western Hudson Bay population between 1987 and 2004," notes Stirling, the first Canadian to be elected president of the Society for Marine Mammalogy, one of the largest international scientific organizations.

"The animals that we see there now are younger and thinner than the typical bear you'd see 20 or 30 years ago. Martyn Obbard from the Ministry of Natural Resources in Ontario has observed a similar situation in southern Hudson Bay. The reason why is pretty simple. Bears pile on the fat they need to make it through the year by catching seals on the ice. With the ice melting two or three weeks sooner in spring, as has been happening in western and southern Hudson Bay, the animals are spending more time on land and getting less opportunity to put on the reserves they need to successfully reproduce and to make it through the year. It's a double-edged sword. Less time feeding also means more time burning up stored fat."

In the politically charged world of polar bear science, Stirling is reluctant to categorically conclude that the 15 per cent decline that he and his Alaskan colleagues are observing in the Beaufort Sea is similarly linked to climate change.

But when you add up the telltale signs – the recent drowning of several bears off the Alaska coast, the fact that bears in the Beaufort are not as fat as they once were, the apparent increase in cannibalism, the trend for more bears in Alaska to give birth on land rather than on the ice, the warmer weather and changing ice conditions – there is a good chance that climate change is taking a toll on marine mammals in the western Arctic."

I found out the population has ingreased since the mid 70's but much of that is due to regulating the hunting of the Polar Bears . Some the populations are up some down

[timshatz]

This is a long read but a good one. From the guy who founded the Weather Channel, it is a speach he debunking Global Warming.

Global Warming and the Price of a Gallon of Gas
by John Coleman



You may want to give credit where credit is due to Al Gore and his global warming campaign the next time you fill your car with gasoline, because there is a direct connection between Global Warming and four dollar a gallon gas. It is shocking, but true, to learn that the entire Global Warming frenzy is based on the environmentalist’s attack on fossil fuels, particularly gasoline. All this big time science, international meetings, thick research papers, dire threats for the future; all of it, comes down to their claim that the carbon dioxide in the exhaust from your car and in the smoke stacks from our power plants is destroying the climate of planet Earth. What an amazing fraud; what a scam.

The future of our civilization lies in the balance.

That’s the battle cry of the High Priest of Global Warming Al Gore and his fellow, agenda driven disciples as they predict a calamitous outcome from anthropogenic global warming. According to Mr. Gore the polar ice caps will collapse and melt and sea levels will rise 20 feet inundating the coastal cities making 100 million of us refugees. Vice President Gore tells us numerous Pacific islands will be totally submerged and uninhabitable. He tells us global warming will disrupt the circulation of the ocean waters, dramatically changing climates, throwing the world food supply into chaos. He tells us global warming will turn hurricanes into super storms, produce droughts, wipe out the polar bears and result in bleaching of coral reefs. He tells us tropical diseases will spread to mid latitudes and heat waves will kill tens of thousands. He preaches to us that we must change our lives and eliminate fossil fuels or face the dire consequences. The future of our civilization is in the balance.

With a preacher’s zeal, Mr. Gore sets out to strike terror into us and our children and make us feel we are all complicit in the potential demise of the planet.

Here is my rebuttal.

There is no significant man made global warming. There has not been any in the past, there is none now and there is no reason to fear any in the future. The climate of Earth is changing. It has always changed. But mankind’s activities have not overwhelmed or significantly modified the natural forces.

Through all history, Earth has shifted between two basic climate regimes: ice ages and what paleoclimatologists call “Interglacial periods”. For the past 10 thousand years the Earth has been in an interglacial period. That might well be called nature’s global warming because what happens during an interglacial period is the Earth warms up, the glaciers melt and life flourishes. Clearly from our point of view, an interglacial period is greatly preferred to the deadly rigors of an ice age. Mr. Gore and his crowd would have us believe that the activities of man have overwhelmed nature during this interglacial period and are producing an unprecedented, out of control warming.

Well, it is simply not happening. Worldwide there was a significant natural warming trend in the 1980’s and 1990’s as a Solar cycle peaked with lots of sunspots and solar flares. That ended in 1998 and now the Sun has gone quiet with fewer and fewer Sun spots, and the global temperatures have gone into decline. Earth has cooled for almost ten straight years. So, I ask Al Gore, where’s the global warming?

The cooling trend is so strong that recently the head of the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had to acknowledge it. He speculated that nature has temporarily overwhelmed mankind’s warming and it may be ten years or so before the warming returns. Oh, really. We are supposed to be in a panic about man-made global warming and the whole thing takes a ten year break because of the lack of Sun spots. If this weren’t so serious, it would be laughable.

Now allow me to talk a little about the science behind the global warming frenzy. I have dug through thousands of pages of research papers, including the voluminous documents published by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. I have worked my way through complicated math and complex theories. Here’s the bottom line: the entire global warming scientific case is based on the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from the use of fossil fuels. They don’t have any other issue. Carbon Dioxide, that’s it.

Hello Al Gore; Hello UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Your science is flawed; your hypothesis is wrong; your data is manipulated. And, may I add, your scare tactics are deplorable. The Earth does not have a fever. Carbon dioxide does not cause significant global warming.

The focus on atmospheric carbon dioxide grew out a study by Roger Revelle who was an esteemed scientist at the Scripps Oceanographic Institute. He took his research with him when he moved to Harvard and allowed his students to help him process the data for his paper. One of those students was Al Gore. That is where Gore got caught up in this global warming frenzy. Revelle’s paper linked the increases in carbon dioxide, CO2, in the atmosphere with warming. It labeled CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

Charles Keeling, another researcher at the Scripps Oceanographic Institute, set up a system to make continuous CO2 measurements. His graph of these increases has now become known as the Keeling Curve. When Charles Keeling died in 2005, his son David, also at Scripps, took over the measurements. Here is what the Keeling curve shows: an increase in CO2 from 315 parts per million in 1958 to 385 parts per million today, an increase of 70 parts per million or about 20 percent.

[timshatz]

Continued...

All the computer models, all of the other findings, all of the other angles of study, all come back to and are based on CO2 as a significant greenhouse gas. It is not.

Here is the deal about CO2, carbon dioxide. It is a natural component of our atmosphere. It has been there since time began. It is absorbed and emitted by the oceans. It is used by every living plant to trigger photosynthesis. Nothing would be green without it. And we humans; we create it. Every time we breathe out, we emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. It is not a pollutant. It is not smog. It is a naturally occurring invisible gas.

Let me illustrate. I estimate that this square in front of my face contains 100,000 molecules of atmosphere. Of those 100,000 only 38 are CO2; 38 out of a hundred thousand. That makes it a trace component. Let me ask a key question: how can this tiny trace upset the entire balance of the climate of Earth? It can’t. That’s all there is to it; it can’t.

The UN IPCC has attracted billions of dollars for the research to try to make the case that CO2 is the culprit of run-away, man-made global warming. The scientists have come up with very complex creative theories and done elaborate calculations and run computer models they say prove those theories. They present us with a concept they call radiative forcing. The research organizations and scientists who are making a career out of this theory, keep cranking out the research papers. Then the IPCC puts on big conferences at exotic places, such as the recent conference in Bali. The scientists endorse each other’s papers, they are summarized and voted on, and viola, we are told global warming is going to kill us all unless we stop burning fossil fuels.

May I stop here for a few historical notes? First, the internal combustion engine and gasoline were awful polluters when they were first invented. And, both gasoline and automobile engines continued to leave a layer of smog behind right up through the 1960’s. Then science and engineering came to the environmental rescue. Better exhaust and ignition systems, catalytic converters, fuel injectors, better engineering throughout the engine and reformulated gasoline have all contributed to a huge reduction in the exhaust emissions from today’s cars. Their goal then was to only exhaust carbon dioxide and water vapor, two gases widely accepted as natural and totally harmless. Anyone old enough to remember the pall of smog that used to hang over all our cities knows how much improvement there has been. So the environmentalists, in their battle against fossil fuels and automobiles had a very good point forty years ago, but now they have to focus almost entirely on the once harmless carbon dioxide. And, that is the rub. Carbon dioxide is not an environmental problem; they just want you now to think it is.

Numerous independent research projects have been done about the greenhouse impact from increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide. These studies have proven to my total satisfaction that CO2 is not creating a major greenhouse effect and is not causing an increase in temperatures. By the way, before his death, Roger Revelle coauthored a paper cautioning that CO2 and its greenhouse effect did not warrant extreme countermeasures.

So now it has come down to an intense campaign, orchestrated by environmentalists claiming that the burning of fossil fuels dooms the planet to run-away global warming. Ladies and Gentlemen, that is a myth.

So how has the entire global warming frenzy with all its predictions of dire consequences, become so widely believed, accepted and regarded as a real threat to planet Earth? That is the most amazing part of the story.

To start with global warming has the backing of the United Nations, a major world force. Second, it has the backing of a former Vice President and very popular political figure. Third it has the endorsement of Hollywood, and that’s enough for millions. And, fourth, the environmentalists love global warming. It is their tool to combat fossil fuels. So with the environmentalists, the UN, Gore and Hollywood touting Global Warming and predictions of doom and gloom, the media has scrambled with excitement to climb aboard. After all the media loves a crisis. From YK2 to killer bees the media just loves to tell us our lives are threatened. And the media is biased toward liberal, so it’s pre-programmed to support Al Gore and UN. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The LA Times, The Washington Post, the Associated Press and here in San Diego The Union Tribune are all constantly promoting the global warming crisis.

So who is going to go against all of that power? Not the politicians. So now the President of the United States, just about every Governor, most Senators and most Congress people, both of the major current candidates for President, most other elected officials on all levels of government are all riding the Al Gore Global Warming express. That is one crowded bus.

I suspect you haven’t heard it because the mass media did not report it, but I am not alone on the no man-made warming side of this issue. On May 20th, a list of the names of over thirty-one thousand scientists who refute global warming was released. Thirty-one thousand of which 9,000 are Ph.ds. Think about that. Thirty-one thousand. That dwarfs the supposed 2,500 scientists on the UN panel. In the past year, five hundred of scientists have issued public statements challenging global warming. A few more join the chorus every week. There are about 100 defectors from the UN IPCC. There was an International Conference of Climate Change Skeptics in New York in March of this year. One hundred of us gave presentations. Attendance was limited to six hundred people. Every seat was taken. There are a half dozen excellent internet sites that debunk global warming. And, thank goodness for KUSI and Michael McKinnon, its owner. He allows me to post my comments on global warming on the website KUSI.com. Following the publicity of my position form Fox News, Glen Beck on CNN, Rush Limbaugh and a host of other interviews, thousands of people come to the website and read my comments. I get hundreds of supportive emails from them. No I am not alone and the debate is not over.

In my remarks in New York I speculated that perhaps we should sue Al Gore for fraud because of his carbon credits trading scheme. That remark has caused a stir in the fringe media and on the internet. The concept is that if the media won’t give us a hearing and the other side will not debate us, perhaps we could use a Court of law to present our papers and our research and if the Judge is unbiased and understands science, we win. The media couldn’t ignore that. That idea has become the basis for legal research by notable attorneys and discussion among global warming debunkers, but it’s a long way from the Court room.

I am very serious about this issue. I think stamping out the global warming scam is vital to saving our wonderful way of life.

The battle against fossil fuels has controlled policy in this country for decades. It was the environmentalist’s prime force in blocking any drilling for oil in this country and the blocking the building of any new refineries, as well. So now the shortage they created has sent gasoline prices soaring. And, it has lead to the folly of ethanol, which is also partly behind the fuel price increases; that and our restricted oil policy. The ethanol folly is also creating a food crisis throughput the world – it is behind the food price rises for all the grains, for cereals, bread, everything that relies on corn or soy or wheat, including animals that are fed corn, most processed foods that use corn oil or soybean oil or corn syrup. Food shortages or high costs have led to food riots in some third world countries and made the cost of eating out or at home budget busting for many.

So now the global warming myth actually has lead to the chaos we are now enduring with energy and food prices. We pay for it every time we fill our gas tanks. Not only is it running up gasoline prices, it has changed government policy impacting our taxes, our utility bills and the entire focus of government funding. And, now the Congress is considering a cap and trade carbon credits policy. We the citizens will pay for that, too. It all ends up in our taxes and the price of goods and services.

So the Global warming frenzy is, indeed, threatening our civilization. Not because global warming is real; it is not. But because of the all the horrible side effects of the global warming scam.

I love this civilization. I want to do my part to protect it.

If Al Gore and his global warming scare dictates the future policy of our governments, the current economic downturn could indeed become a recession, drift into a depression and our modern civilization could fall into an abyss. And it would largely be a direct result of the global warming frenzy.

[renrich]

Tim, many thanks to you for posting this.

[timshatz]

My pleasure Ren. I've been skeptical of the whole thing for a long time. But this speach hit it on the head. After that, I had to post it.

Coleman is going to get villified by the left for saying this but it far to level headed to be in-accurate. I figured if he is going to throw himself to the wolves, the least I could do is make sure his words get read by people who might see things as he does.

[renrich]

I have not believed in global climate change being caused by humans for some time. Gore being an advocate for it is almost enough for me to give it no credence. It burns me up that the leftist dems and their lap dogs, the media, have sold this to the American voter. Even if there was some merit to Gore's claims, China and India, the two biggest polluters are not going to curtail their emissions. As it is, we are the only country in the world with substantial hydrocarbon reserves that is not exploiting those reserves. Even though I will vote for him because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate, McCain is dead wrong on this issue and I am beginning to think he is just too stupid or stubborn to figure it out. Another point, the left in this country has kept us from exploiting nuclear energy to the extent we should or could, using the excuse that it it too dangerous. How many years has the US Navy been operating nuclear reactors without an accident? This whole issue makes me feel liking getting a gun and going to Washington to clean out that rat's nest.