Global Warming: The New Religion

[renrich]

What does it mean that "it is cool to discuss the new technologies?" One cannot ignore politics and politicians because they are part and parcel of the problem. If it weren't for politicians, mainly the dems, we would not be importing as much oil from other countries as we are today. Where do lobbyists come into the equation?

[tpikdave]

Oh my God...the bees, the bees!!!! Just yesterday I was out mowing my lawn and I had to stop every 2 feet to move a frog..... Whats that all about? .....Did they eat the bees that ate the oil, that, that melted the freakin icebergs, that were whispering to Algore ???

Where are all the Dolphins? Oh yeah, I just saw about 50 of them just offshore yesterday eating the invisible fish that don't live here anymore.

Too bad most people get their info from conspiracy sites and other crazy sources instead of looking on their own to see what is really there.

Ren, I am with you all the way.

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by renrich

What does it mean that "it is cool to discuss the new technologies?" One cannot ignore politics and politicians because they are part and parcel of the problem. If it weren't for politicians, mainly the dems, we would not be importing as much oil from other countries as we are today. Where do lobbyists come into the equation?

politics and politicians ARE THE PROBLEM !!! because the main goal of a politicians is benefit himself first of all, wathever his party or ideology. some are worst than anothers like bush hehehehe but lets dont talk about that now !

you talk about would not import as much oil from another countries:

you means search for an alternative fuel or search for oil inside usa ?

if you talk about alternative fuel, the ethanol is a good choice, it have being used here since the 70´s and all models from all assemblers have since a long date ethanol fueled veichles. the performance is better than gasoline, but the consume is a little bit higher. but the price of ethanol is 50% of the price of gasoline, and in the time of harvest of sugar cane it decreases even more.

now we also have the "flex" veichles wich works with ethanol and gasoline.

also we have biodiesel fueling trucks and bus, should be a nice alternative since you can make biodiesel from many diferent ways, including from used cooking oil.

but im very curious with this new hidrogen engine technology. i know honda started to sell a model there in usa, what do you think about that ? could you buy this car ?

[Danielmellbin]

[quote=tpikdave;368345]

Too bad most people get their info from conspiracy sites and other crazy sources instead of looking on their own to see what is really there.

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agreed - then there wouldn't be any need for discussion on the matter and we would already be in "full conversion mode" - instead of squabling while our planet is going to hell in a handbasket.

Regarding the ethanol - it wont do much good as it requires immense ammounts of CO2 to make.

[hunter0f2]

You have to remember that MAN MADE!! Global Warming is not a state of the world, But!! actually a big business. People are getting fat & rich out of it,Its what they do foe a living. Its a cynical ploy, to make you , The Consumer feel guilty. We are fed half truths Duff gen. outright lies & a load of Bollocks just so you wont feel so bad about it when they Slap! another Green! Tax on you . Accordingto Government, Power & fuel suppliers, & Manufacturers of Green Products--Its You'r fault, so pay up!! This world is quite capable of looking after itself,Its been doing it for millions of years--just leave it alone!!What they going to do next? Plug every volcano? Stop vegitation rotting, Ban Cows from Farting??

Just stop cutting down Forests & give the World a Chance!!

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by hunter0f2

You have to remember that MAN MADE!! Global Warming is not a state of the world, But!! actually a big business. People are getting fat & rich out of it,Its what they do foe a living. Its a cynical ploy, to make you , The Consumer feel guilty. We are fed half truths Duff gen. outright lies & a load of Bollocks just so you wont feel so bad about it when they Slap! another Green! Tax on you . Accordingto Government, Power & fuel suppliers, & Manufacturers of Green Products--Its You'r fault, so pay up!! This world is quite capable of looking after itself,Its been doing it for millions of years--just leave it alone!!What they going to do next? Plug every volcano? Stop vegitation rotting, Ban Cows from Farting??

Just stop cutting down Forests & give the World a Chance!!

i believe global warming is not the big issue when we talk about alternative fuel and new technologies. its a great deal anyway.

and yes, i believe stop cuttind down forrests its a great idea, but shuch like the global-warming offenders, there are people(right wingers) who believes its also just politics and if europe and usa did cutting down their forrests, the other nations have the same right.

yes politics, always issuing the obvious and selling the doubtful

Danielmelbin:

im not sure about the process to make ethanol by the sugar cane, how it works, ill research that. but im sure abot the combustion of ethanol is less pollutant than gasoline. and i know about the issues over the reminds of process to make ethanol, how to recicle that.

[Njaco]

Jug, I understand that ethanol made from Sugar Brazil has been doing a long while. And the tarriffs on it coming into US is higher than oil. Politicians are really helpful, aren't they?

Hunter hit it on the head and that is what makes me cringe - its all for money.

regarding all of this, can somebody explain to me Genesis 8:22?

[Danielmellbin]

Originally Posted by Njaco

regarding all of this, can somebody explain to me Genesis 8:22?

“While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”

It would seem that jewish folklore in 500 BC didn't have much knowledge of the climate in 2000 AD. And at any rate - the sun will die in some 12 billion years - the earth will remain but the rest of the stuff will "cease" (except cold).

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Danielmellbin

And at any rate - the sun will die in some 12 billion years -

That Global Warming will be a real bitch....

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by freebird

That Global Warming will be a real bitch....

lollll agree !

[engguy]

Kinda refreshing to see some realizing the brain washing and propaganda of the Climate change/Global warming crowd.
One of the important questions to ask, is why do they want us to believe it?
We have to hear it constantly everyday on every news broadcast and in the news media. Why the constant propaganda? And they will never mention the sun, and how it was so hot and had melted ice on mars. Or how there are experiements to control the weather such as Haarp in alaska. Or how the persistant contrails from Jets are causing artificial clouds. The good old recip engines never did that. But then they put out a fraction of the heat and pollutants that jets do. Well that is if you really believe the pollutant line.
I say if "they" really believe we have this problem, then why not ground all the commercial and military aircraft.
Since they aren't doing that, then they must know there is no problem.
Its just all for our benifit if you can call loosing pretty much all our rights and freedoms we have a benifit.

[Danielmellbin]

Originally Posted by engguy

Kinda refreshing to see some realizing the brain washing and propaganda of the Climate change/Global warming crowd.

A question to all of you that believe man made Global climate change is a hoax:

Here is the list of points I have seen used to try to disprove man made GCC or why its not worth acting on:
1. Scientists lie because their grants will dwindle if there is no man made GCC.
2. The media is conspiring because its against all things that are right wing.
3. The climate has always changed so its just a coincidence that its doing it now.
4. Where I live everything is fine.
5. Some sort of study that shows that in some respects a recent year hasn't seen as dramatic a change as the other recent years.
6. The world economy will colapse if we try to convert away from oil quickly.
7. Al Gore and everything about him.
8. GCC simply wont have any effect on our lives.

Are there any other points? Because openminded as I am - I dont find these points very convincing...

[Messy1]

I do not really know for sure yes or no if global warming is happening, and if it is happening, is it because of man. I do not know. I just wonder how scientists are so sure that it is happening, when they are basically going off of a very small window of time in the Earth's life. I think they are comparing data from the last 200-300 years, and the earth has been around for millions of years. How do they know this is not natural cycle in the earth's life?
Living here in Iowa, we have just come off of our coldest average winter in many years. We had record amounts of snow fall. how can we have had a winter like this past one with Global Warming going on?

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by engguy

Since they aren't doing that, then they must know there is no problem.
Its just all for our benifit if you can call loosing pretty much all our rights and freedoms we have a benifit.

what abbout the rest of us oppressed people that don't enjoy the rights that only the US is entitled to by God no less

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Danielmellbin

A question to all of you that believe man made Global climate change is a hoax:

Here is the list of points I have seen used to try to disprove man made GCC or why its not worth acting on:
1. Scientists lie because their grants will dwindle if there is no man made GCC.
2. The media is conspiring because its against all things that are right wing.
3. The climate has always changed so its just a coincidence that its doing it now.
4. Where I live everything is fine.
5. Some sort of study that shows that in some respects a recent year hasn't seen as dramatic a change as the other recent years.
6. The world economy will colapse if we try to convert away from oil quickly.
7. Al Gore and everything about him.
8. GCC simply wont have any effect on our lives.

Are there any other points? Because openminded as I am - I dont find these points very convincing...

well stated