Global Warming: The New Religion

Matt308 · 04-11-2007, 01:45 PM

For those who wish to get a different perspective on Global Warming than that pushed upon us by the liberal press, activists, and crackpot doomsayers..

PLEASE, please, take the time to watch this streaming video. It is an absolute eye opener contrasted with what we so constantly hear about man destroying the earth.

The Great Global Warming Swindle - Documentary Film - Google Video

FalkeEins · 04-11-2007, 02:27 PM

..this was broadcast on C4 in the UK last month....it's eye-opening..

"..there have been periods in earth's history when there has been three times more CO2 in the atmosphere than there is now... "

..it didn't appear to cause the polemic that the broadcaster suggested it might ...

timshatz · 04-11-2007, 04:15 PM

What bothers me about the quasi-religion of the thing is the whole CO2 hoax. There is an element of Stalinist "somebody must be guilty" to the whole thing. For instance, say we all accept that mankind is the source of the CO2 rise (do not believe it in those terms but for the sake of arguement, let's go with it). So, we enact laws to reduce the emissions. When, after a cetain period (say a half a dozen years or so), the CO2 levels have not gone down, what then? Well, according to the frenzied ideology, somebody must be cheating. The cheaters have to be found and punished for their roles in making the CO2 numbers continue to rise. Much as the being a "counter-revolutionary" in Stalinist Russia, part of the "Socialist Intelligencia" in Hitler's Germany or a member of the "Educated Class" in Pol Pot's Cambodia, you would become an enemy of the people. And that is what I find most scary about the Global Warming Frenzy. The facts are twisted to meet political goals.

And as for Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth", I've seen better propaganda. But it's good to see that Al and Mike Moore have learned the lessons from the true masters of Crap, the Nazis. If anybody wants to see the granddaddy of all propaganda films, see Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will". Against that, those two PC hacks don't stand a chance. When it came down to spewing BS, Leni was the champ!

pbfoot · 04-11-2007, 04:58 PM

I watched both Gores and this one both have validity and one must pick a bit of both

renrich · 04-11-2007, 05:24 PM

Thank you Matt, very educational and compelling!

timshatz · 04-11-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

I watched both Gores and this one both have validity and one must pick a bit of both

That's the beauty of good propaganda. Take a little bit to truth, add in pile of BS, another helping of fear and self righteousness (evenly split) and you have the beginings of your movement.

renrich · 04-11-2007, 06:51 PM

I would not believe Al Gore if he told me day was light and night was dark. He is, like the democrat party, morally and intellectualy bankrupt.

pbfoot · 04-11-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by timshatz

That's the beauty of good propaganda. Take a little bit to truth, add in pile of BS, another helping of fear and self righteousness (evenly split) and you have the beginings of your movement.

Give me a break neither one is is engraved in stone there is validity in both documentaries thats how I make decisions by listening to both sides and making my own thoughts not governed by right left or otherwise .You can't be seriously denying the fact the weather is changing

Njaco · 04-11-2007, 09:14 PM

But they are not telling you the Whole story.

Saw a documentary a few months ago where some scientists were checking global climates and how pollution affects that. From what I remember (please forgive me, I was so stunned by this being on a liberal public TV show) there is some ...SOME ... global warming caused by various factors. BUT. Pollution particles collect in the upper atmospere, mostly from jet exhaust, and these particles gather and act as a shield that BOUNCES the suns rays away from the earth ...IN DIRECT PORTION TO THE EFFECT OF GLOBAL WARMING!

They wanted to test this but they needed a time and place where no planes were flying, which at the time was almost impossible....until.....

September 11, 2001 provided them with three whole days of clear skies and the data they collected proved them correct. There was a significant rise in temperatures compared in areas where they already had temp data. Somebody forgot the first rule of science ... to every action there is an opposite and equal re-action.

But this doesn't play into the hands of the dems and liberals. They need to scare the population so that they can come in like knights and save the world. Its crap! Watched alittle of the Oscars this year and saw Melissa Hemorage sing with lit signs behind her "Use Public Transportation" Save Energy" etc.... preaching to a crowd of numbnuts who arrived at that very place like herself in a gas guzzleing "look-at-me" limo.

Its all B*llsh*t!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-12-2007, 09:24 AM

I certainly think there is more to the subject but I think that we as humans are not helping the matter.

FLYBOYJ · 04-12-2007, 10:54 AM

I believe about 20% is human induced. The rest is just nature taking it course.

timshatz · 04-12-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

Give me a break neither one is is engraved in stone there is validity in both documentaries thats how I make decisions by listening to both sides and making my own thoughts not governed by right left or otherwise .You can't be seriously denying the fact the weather is changing

Actually, I kinda did a thread drift and slid away from global warming and moved into propaganda.

The planet is definitely warming. No doubt about it. Being doing that bit for th last 20K years. For instance, the Sahara desert is only about 7K years old. Further, ours is not the only planet warming. All of them, out as far as Pluto, are showing signs of warming (not that it makes much difference to Mercury but...). It would seem the major part of the warming (and there are and always have been warming and cooling cycles, even minicycles inside the cycles) is a direct affect of Sun.

All that being said, I would find it impossible to believe that 6 billion people wandering around the planet, do not have some affect on the climate. That affect is an unknown. The problem isn't even clearly defined. "What is climate and what goes into it?" is probably the starting point and that isn't even clear. Further study? Definitely. Research? Absolutely.

My point about the movies and propaganda was simple. These films drew conclusions when the problem wasn't even defined. And the conclusions they drew were self serving, more than a little politically opportunistic and not factually based. I've read of information that was intentionally suppressed on both sides of the spectrum (including one joker who wanted to completely eliminate the "Medival Warming Period"- a warm spell around 1,000 AD- to advance his agenda).

In short, what is going on could use more study. That includes the what, the how, the why, ect. But to make conclusions based on information presented in the present climate of hysteria is folly.

FLYBOYJ · 04-12-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by timshatz

These films drew conclusions when the problem wasn't even defined. And the conclusions they drew were self serving, more than a little politically opportunistic and not factually based. I've read of information that was intentionally suppressed on both sides of the spectrum (including one joker who wanted to completely eliminate the "Medival Warming Period"- a warm spell around 1,000 AD- to advance his agenda).

In short, what is going on could use more study. That includes the what, the how, the why, ect. But to make conclusions based on information presented in the present climate of hysteria is folly.

Agree 100%

syscom3 · 04-12-2007, 01:12 PM

We have only been accuratly measuring the solar energy output for 35 Years.

We have really only been recording the temp's on various places on earth for 120 years.

Now wouldnt it be interesting that the earth has been in an abnormally cool period the past few centuries, and we are now returning to normal?

mkloby · 04-12-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

We have only been accuratly measuring the solar energy output for 35 Years.

We have really only been recording the temp's on various places on earth for 120 years.

Now wouldnt it be interesting that the earth has been in an abnormally cool period the past few centuries, and we are now returning to normal?

Good point - there was that "Mini Ice Age" that took place from 1500-mid 1800's... Nobody seems to be speaking of this - certainly not Gore in anything I've read or heard him say.