 | God help us| Politics Discuss God help us in the Current forums; Originally Posted by Njaco
or better yet...lets blow up a clinic! Murder is not justification for murder.
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11-25-2007, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Njaco  or better yet...lets blow up a clinic! Murder is not justification for murder.
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Country:  | A few months ago, we had a discussion about the difference between the US and Europe. This whole thread is exactly what puzzles me about the US. Most Americans are against abortion because the right of a human being to live. Yet they support death penalty and fire arms ownership. Mind you, I'm not judging this, but it's a contradiction I as a european really don't understand.
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Country:  | Well I for one am torn between being for or against Abortion. On one hand I believe that a woman should have the right to do with her body as she pleases and on the other hand I dont agree with it because the baby has no say in it and it deserves a chance at life.
I am certainly for the death penelty.
I also dont underand how the 2 can be compared. One is someone paying for there crimes the other is deciding over the life or a unborn baby.
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11-25-2007, 01:43 PM
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It was only an example.
What I meant is that one way, people are talking about the treasure of life, "everybody has a right to live" (in the case of abortion) and on the other hand can defend the killing of other human beings . My other example was owning guns. Guns have only one purpose and that is killing living things. This duality in thoughts is something that puzzles me. Again, not judging, just intrigued.
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Originally Posted by Marcel A few months ago, we had a discussion about the difference between the US and Europe. This whole thread is exactly what puzzles me about the US. Most Americans are against abortion because the right of a human being to live. Yet they support death penalty and fire arms ownership. Mind you, I'm not judging this, but it's a contradiction I as a european really don't understand. | Marcel - you could consider that a contradiction, although you can argue philosophically that the baby is innocent and has done nothing to justify taking his/her life, whereas a murderer in some people's eyes no longer deserves to live. The two are not entirely the same, but it's relative to the individual making the judgment.
The death penalty is one issue that I do not agree with most conservatives. Again, maybe it's my Catholic upbringing, but in my opinion, humans should not be in the business of choosing who deserves to live or not. Self defense and other examples obviously are not the same. Lock them up for life w/o chance of parole - sure. Hell, put them on bread and water rations. I'm not about lax penalties; I think much of the US penal code is far too lenient. Put them to work - there's always garbage that needs to be picked up somewhere.
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Originally Posted by mkloby Marcel - you could consider that a contradiction, although you can argue philosophically that the baby is innocent and has done nothing to justify taking his/her life, whereas a murderer in some people's eyes no longer deserves to live. | Right on. Quote:
Originally Posted by mkloby Lock them up for life w/o chance of parole - sure. Hell, put them on bread and water rations. I'm not about lax penalties; I think much of the US penal code is far too lenient. Put them to work - there's always garbage that needs to be picked up somewhere. | And that is my problem too. (note this is not directly abortion related so I am not violating my agreement  )
It costs too much to execute Aholes, which is my only objection. But like in jail with conjugal visits, work out rooms, cable, libraries, etc get my ire up. Prison is about punishment. Not just a polite way of taking away your right to go out of the house. I personally could put to death 99.99% of every "kid toucher". I would say 100%, but do believe that mistakes are made. Though rarely against someone whose lifestyle and trackrecord are not exactly above contempt. So... who wants to vote for me as Head Executioner of pedophiles and evil kid manglers? Hmmm? Takers?
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Bring back the guillotine, it's re-usable.
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Originally Posted by Matt308 So... who wants to vote for me as Head Executioner of pedophiles and evil kid manglers? Hmmm? Takers? | Absolutely, Matt.... Need an assistant ?
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Originally Posted by plan_D I'm surprised there has been a discussion on this, it's one of the few things you should not debate around a dinner table ... as well as religion... it always makes everyone uncomfortable and no one achieves anything. | I like the last part..... it always makes everyone uncomfortable and no one achieves anything.
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Originally Posted by plan_D If you're going to start discussions on execution then I'll join in to make everyone feel uncomfortable...
Bring back the guillotine, it's re-usable. | Ahhh! Very cost effective with low maintenance - all in one neat package 
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Originally Posted by mkloby Ahhh! Very cost effective with low maintenance - all in one neat package |
But, does it constitute cruel & unusual (inhumane) punishment ?
(I'm all for it !)
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Country: | Sorry, Mkloby, my extremist side showed up. Really, I'm with Adler, not sure how I really feel except that its probably a personal choice and should stay out of national debate. Quote: |
But, does it constitute cruel & unusual (inhumane) punishment ?
| Only when we pay for the 20 years it takes to finally execute someone.
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