Gun laws in the place you live.

[seesul]

Good for criminals I suppose.[/quote]

Maybe based on your own experience in your own country. Otherwise I dunno why you suppose it´s good for criminal...
I don´t feel myself in danger here...

[seesul]

Originally Posted by freebird

I think the problem is that all "illegal" guns start out as "legal"

It is true that as you say criminals can always obtain gus, often because a girlfriend or associate can legally buy it and give it to the criminal! I'm sure some "black market" guns would still be around, but with these guns costing $500+ as opposed to perhaps $50 in the US, far fewer criminals will have them.

Adler why do you think violent crime in Germany less than in the USA, if it's not a gun availability issue?

totally agree...

[CharlesBronson]

Maybe based on your own experience in your own country. Otherwise I dunno why you suppose it´s good for criminal...
I don´t feel myself in danger here...

I dont feel myself in danger here either, and the issue is not just applied in Argentina, for example Mexico and Brazil have more restrictive laws for the legally adquisition of firearms than Argieland, but their rate of crime is astronomically higher than here...you figure.

[CharlesBronson]

the law about kind of weapons used by civilians here is very prohibitive but it stays just in the papers. the drug dealers for example have mortars, grenades and ak-47´s, an average joe could buy a machinegun also without many problems.

you cant enter in a public space with a gun, but you can keep that in home. if you have a shotgun, or a uzi, police dont really cares if you keep with that in your home.

theres is a warm debate about the total pohibition of cilvilians to have guns anyway. the pro-guns argument that police dont works fine so civilians have to make their own security.


also the situation og great metropolis where theres many crime and you see 15, 16 years old childrens with ak-47´s working for a drug dealer in a favela or the wave of kidnappings is part of argumentation of pro-guns.

the anti-guns says the stats of homicides shows most part of fireguns deaths is generated by futile reasons like transit discussions, soccer hooliganism, discussions, etc... crimes made by not criminal civilians.

theres once a time that a crazy man enetered in a cinema room in são paulo and shot the crowd with a uzi 9mm.

the situation of usa where the gun laws are more open and theres these crazy nuts who shot civilians in shcools, churchs, etc... is also debated here, by anti-guns activists.

of course the guys who wants more guns are the right wingers and the anti-guns are the leftists. like other places.

The gun laws in Brazil are really maniatic, two examples of what I been talking about:

ALL airgun with a caliber over 5,5 mm are forbidden ....and the hunting is also verboten in the entire country... , and we are talking about a with 8 million of square kilometers compared with "just" 2,850,000 square kilometers of Argentina ( hunters paradise), a fine example of how bad the natural resources has been manipulated .

Of course all that inquiries only affect the law abbiding citizen, neither of this laws have banned the mafia to obtain the massive firepower described by JugBR.

[Haztoys]

I live in Prescott Arizona in the northern highlands.. Where armed to the teeth ...Any one can ware a gun on there hip but it has to be in plane sight.. New gun buyer you must do paper work ..Used guns are sold at yard sells and the flea market ...All you must show is that you live in Arizona no paper work..You can't bring a gun into a bar bank or church...You can have a gun in your car... Theres a Ruger gun plant in town..Guns are in most homes..Nice place to live ...Now would you break into a home in this town...You break into someones home they will kill you

[CharlesBronson]

Interesting, there is carry but no "concealed carry", it sound like a very unsafe place ....for criminals

Thank you Haztoys

[JugBR]

race is not a factor about gun crimes or any kind of crime. social conditions, education, bad friendships, psycological conditions, psychiatric problems, drugs, lack of police prevention... all of these are real factors.

the gangs or drug dealing for example is about social conditions, bad friendships and education.

but that guy who shots in the church or the korean guy of university among others, are most like psychotic persons, depressive maniacs, etc...

a guy who dhots another by hit his car or look his girfriend is a social inadequate.

the parameters to see the guy is able or not to have a gun are many. lets be honest: first is if the guy have money to buy it. the other is if the guy have problems with justice. then if the guy is some kind of nuts.

if theres gands with guns, maniacs with guns, the system is failing to prevent firegun crimes.

[CharlesBronson]

race is not a factor about gun crimes or any kind of crime

Uh ?....who said it was ??

Dont jump without reason man.

[Haztoys]

Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

Interesting, there is carry but no "concealed carry", it sound like a very unsafe place ....for criminals

Thank you Haztoys

And I forgot ...To go "concealed carry" ..Is like 6 or 8 hour class...And you can now have a concealed weapon.. Not real sure on the time it realy takes on the concealed class..But it can be none in a day..I "think"..

Theres big holes in the laws..In plane sight says small part of the weapon must show ..At one time the Arizona told the Fed's to go to hell on the new gun paper work ..And did for a year or so but highway money was held up by the Feds ..so we gave end on the paper work on new guns...

Arizona has the most open gun law in the US...

[Torch]

Getting back to Colorado even at gun shows you need to have a back ground check done. As far as FB throwing in that a scum sucker dealer is an NRA member nobodies perfect. I'm an NRA Life Member and I can say for sure that 99.9% of NRA members never did a drive by shooting or it would be in the papers instantly because we are gun loonies and maniacs. Sorry that's not the case. I'm trying to protect my rights to hunt, shoot for sport, collect and hopefully never have to use one against a criminal intent on hurting myself or my family. There will be loop holes always and if they ban legal citizens from having weapons i'm sorry to say only scum will have them. I know the police do a fine job but do you also notice the innocent person is still dead because they couldn't respond fast enough or be there to prevent it. I am for a back ground check or maybe even a couple of days for the dealer to hold your gun for a "cooling off period" but as a law abiding citizen I should not be punished for a criminal justice system that stinks. As for the amount of deaths from gunfire most of these reports don't break it down to show how many gangbangers do themselves in or that juveniles are a part of that statistic. they are lumped in with the whole number.

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

The gun laws in Brazil are really maniatic, two examples of what I been talking about:

ALL airgun with a caliber over 5,5 mm are forbidden ....and the hunting is also verboten in the entire country... , and we are talking about a with 8 million of square kilometers compared with "just" 2,850,000 square kilometers of Argentina ( hunters paradise), a fine example of how bad the natural resources has been manipulated .

Of course all that inquiries only affect the law abbiding citizen, neither of this laws have banned the mafia to obtain the massive firepower described by JugBR.

laws are good when applied. to apply the laws is needed officers. we have no enought officers to monitoring the entire pantanal, so illegal hunt is a big problem.

i live in sao paulo state, in early 1900 there was onças(jaguar) here, also antas, capivaras, some deers, jacares(crocodilians) and monkeys, birds of all kind; eagles and parrots here. then, by many years all those have been hunted and killed without any control and now we only have caipiras(rednecks) and plantations here. nice change, the "progress" ...

in great urban centres, you see children in the age of 12, 13 years old, in poor neightbourhood(favelas), smoking pot and shooting with ak 47, instead to be in school studing.

last week, there was an assault on a bank near my house, the father of a guy("primo") who works near my house was shot in the neck an died. just because a sucker(retired federal policemen) with a gun decided to play john wayne and shot the robbers. a missed bullet find the neck of the old man father of "primo" and now hes dead. the retired cop shot two robbers, but an inocent was also killed. great deal...

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

Uh ?....who said it was ??

Dont jump without reason man.

u didnt said that mate

[Danielmellbin]

Handguns, shotguns and automatic rifles are illegal for anybody except the police and army. Bearing any form of weoponry larger than a swiss armyknife outside of "hunting areas" or gardening is illegal. Hunting rifles can be aquired if you have a license and a completely clean criminal record.

Personally i believe its the best possible policy - it works and a shooting incident or knife stabbing clears the frontpages everytime.

[renrich]

Well said, Torch and agreed. I am a life member also and the NRA members I know are some of the community's most upstanding citizens. As far as race being a factor in violent crime, that is problematical. The evidence might suggest otherwise. Saw a bumper sticker today; "The reason the second amendment is there is in case they ignore the other ones." Enough said.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Torch

Getting back to Colorado even at gun shows you need to have a back ground check done. As far as FB throwing in that a scum sucker dealer is an NRA member nobodies perfect. I'm an NRA Life Member and I can say for sure that 99.9% of NRA members never did a drive by shooting or it would be in the papers instantly because we are gun loonies and maniacs. Sorry that's not the case. I'm trying to protect my rights to hunt, shoot for sport, collect and hopefully never have to use one against a criminal intent on hurting myself or my family. There will be loop holes always and if they ban legal citizens from having weapons i'm sorry to say only scum will have them. I know the police do a fine job but do you also notice the innocent person is still dead because they couldn't respond fast enough or be there to prevent it. I am for a back ground check or maybe even a couple of days for the dealer to hold your gun for a "cooling off period" but as a law abiding citizen I should not be punished for a criminal justice system that stinks. As for the amount of deaths from gunfire most of these reports don't break it down to show how many gangbangers do themselves in or that juveniles are a part of that statistic. they are lumped in with the whole number.

It wasn't just a member of the NRA it was also a director with more then 900 charges pending and was defended by the NRA . I'm not saying the NRA is at fault but they certainly should police themselves