Gun laws in the place you live.

[CharlesBronson]

Handguns, shotguns and automatic rifles are illegal for anybody except the police and army. Bearing any form of weoponry larger than a swiss armyknife outside of "hunting areas" or gardening is illegal.

No wonder why took only 3 days to the nazis to conquer Denmark ( just kidding)

Thanks you for your answer.

[Torch]

PBfoot you might have a point about the NRA policeing themselves but the board of directors are VOTED in by other members, again no one organization is perfect and name me one that is from the Vatican to the Red Cross to the government, everybody has one issue or the other. Hopefully the good,legal,innocent will prevail.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Torch

PBfoot you might have a point about the NRA policeing themselves but the board of directors are VOTED in by other members, again no one organization is perfect and name me one that is from the Vatican to the Red Cross to the government, everybody has one issue or the other. Hopefully the good,legal,innocent will prevail.

Did you read the article I posted . What I'm saying is I don't care for your firearm laws but that is the way the US opts to live but to have people of this ilk represent you on the NRA should be embarassing
http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pd...ath-valley.pdf

[Torch]

Ok I went thru it. I personally think this guy sucks. But he does not represent the NRA and he does not represent me. If he is doing this why doesn't the police build a case and throw him in jail? (criminal justice system again?). As for the Brady(group) they are just as bad as anybody else who has an agenda and tries to shove it down someone's throat. You made a point ,yeah there is a bad guy, how about them priest who abuse kids and screw them for life, how about the Red Cross holding on to donations for Katarina when they should of went to the needy, How about no one screaming about the illegals that are coming into this country that has had a huge influx of crime due to gang bangers etc, oh yeah thats not politically correct. All I know is when i moved to Colorado in 95 it was a rare occasion to see murder on the news, now for the most part the deaths are latino based names,hmm how about that,they were such good boys,gang tats all over,tear drop tats around their eyes,yeah right. So the point is as an NRA Life Member who understands that there are always low lifes who take advantage of any system I still want to protect my rights to hunt,shoot collect etc.

[javlin]

Maybe it has a bearing on that article PB but it is Maryland right outside of Washington D.C. the area with the tightest gun control laws and one of the highest murders rates per capitain the US??The guy is a piece of shite but it's a normal by product isn't it and we all have some,some more than others.

[pbfoot]

Yes its wrong to condemn the whole barrel because of one rotten apple but the fact remains that but that article was on one bad dealer there are 120 dealers who scoff at the laws of the land and just plain decency

"120 gun stores were the source of at least 54,694 guns traced to crimes committed
between 1996 and 2000.
• These stores, representing slightly more than one-tenth of one percent of the nation’s gun stores,
were the source of 15% of crime gun traces over this period.
• Each of these 120 stores had a minimum of 200 crime gun traces, while 6 stores had more
than one thousand and two stores had more than two thousand crime gun traces.
• These 120 stores were spread out among twenty-two states with Indiana (14 stores),
Illinois (13 stores), Georgia (13 stores), Virginia (13 stores), and Maryland (11 stores)
being home to the most high crime gun stores"

I would think the NRA would be in the forefront to get these guys off the street and or assist the ATF in curtailing the owners of these shops

[Torch]

So you say scoff at the law, listen PB I would love to hammer dealers that are doing illegal transactions. The NRA has no legal jurisdiction to act on it. If the law enforcement agencies know all this are they not paid to protect and to serve? Whats the NRA going to do gather a posse and assault these stores and owners? I abide by the law as most NRA members do. These dealers that are screwing all of us, how come the government does not yank their licenses and follow up with the appropriate punishment? You see it's easier to go after law abiding citizens that they know will not fight back violently. Every statistic shows that when the govt takes away the law abiding folks firearms the crime goes up. Everywhere that concealed carry laws gets passed the crime goes down. Easy enough for me to figure out.

[Airfix]

Originally Posted by Torch

You see it's easier to go after law abiding citizens that they know will not fight back violently. Every statistic shows that when the govt takes away the law abiding folks firearms the crime goes up. Everywhere that concealed carry laws gets passed the crime goes down. Easy enough for me to figure out.

And that is the reason why it is six times as likely (per 1.000 people) to get shot in the US than in germany?
Or maybe germans and for example japanese are such peaceful people?

On topic:
Living in hamburg, germany near the reeperbahn it is forbidden to carry tear gas, sticks, knifes of any kind or anything resembling a weapon. The shops don´t even sell glas bottles after 8 p.m..
All Iin addition to the normal german laws concerning weapons.
It is forbidden to own throwing stars and nun-chakkus in whole germany.
In my opinion that´s o.k..

Interesting facts:
Expanded Homicide Data - Crime in the United States 2005
Expanded Homicide Data Table 7 - Crime in the United States 2005

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Torch

So you say scoff at the law, listen PB I would love to hammer dealers that are doing illegal transactions. The NRA has no legal jurisdiction to act on it..

But they do act often paying for legal teams etc for these scofflaws

"The NRA has also worked to protect Abrams by lobbying to change federal law to prohibit the revocation of licenses from gun dealers like Abrams. Congress is considering legislation, H.R. 5092, that would gut ATF’s ability to revoke corrupt gun dealers’ firearms licenses. The legislation would require ATF to permit gun dealers with revoked licenses to continue selling guns through years of legal appeals even if a federal district court ordered the store to cease gun sales. It would also make it easier for gun dealers with revoked licenses to evade license revocation by transferring operations to friends or family."

an analogy for me it's ACLU for gun owners.

[Oreo]

An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. I am the proud owner and user of a Remington 870 pump-action 12-gage super magnum shotgun, and a .35 Remington pump action rifle.

The crime rate in the USA is only like that because of several groups of people who have decided they are not going to obey laws, and because the government handles the situations incorrectly.

The statistics in the United States show consistently that in areas where private, legal gun ownership is high, crime is low, and areas where guns are restricted, crime is high. Washington DC has had one of the most restrictive gun bans in our nation, and it also has one of the highest crime rates. In rural areas of our country, where most families own at least one gun, the crime rate is exceedingly low.

Making guns illegal does not stop violence, nor does it eliminate guns from the hands of the population. I was in Australia after the gun ban, and the farmer I stayed with had me go out to his water pond and shoot turtles with his .22 Magnum rifle, which he wasn't supposed to have. (the turtles were mucking up the pond and making the cows sick, he said). I also remember hearing even on the television news in Australia that violent crime had increased dramatically in the past few years. People who didn't have access to guns used other objects as weapons, even robbing banks with syringes filled with blood, which they claimed had AIDS in it, and they threatened to stab bank tellers if they didn't give them the money.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Oreo

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

Of course but why make it easy? Not to ridicule US gun laws, but I'm happy to live in a country where we have very strict laws on gun possession. I'm glad I don't own one and wouldn't like on in my home. I'm also glad my neighbours don't have one. I still think having guns will only make a deathly outcome of a struggle more likely. Usually the one with the surprise will win and that's usually the attacker. So IMHO possession of a gun won't make you safer.

[Oreo]

Originally Posted by Marcel

So IMHO possession of a gun won't make you safer.

Sorry, but your HO is not born up by true statistics.

Let me run you through a scenario. I am sleeping in my house, and I have no guns. A burglar enters my house. He has a gun, because even though they are illegal, he doesn't care about breaking the law, and so he has one. I wake up to find the burglar stealing my valuable antiques. I ask him politely not to do that. He shoots me. I die. He rapes my wife, and my daughter, and goes on his way.

Now another one. I have a gun. A burglar enters my house when I'm asleep. I hear him stealing my valuable antiques. I stealthily grab my gun from under my pillow, click the safety off, and sneak out of bed. I sneak around the door, and I find the burglar in my kitchen. I silently point the gun at him, and yell:

FREEZE! OR YOU'RE DOG-MEAT! PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR!

The burglar puts his hands up, I approach while pointing the gun at him, I feel for his gun, find it, get it from him, while my wife calls for the police. I keep him at gunpoint until the police arrive. Thepolice take him away. After going to the bathroom briefly, I go back to bed and finish sleeping.

Which way is better?

[CharlesBronson]

Amen, also reading the opinions of some europeans members I am really surprized that somebody can be a shooter for sport like the olimpic categories, those poor guys must be seen as Rambos wanabees over there.

[FLYBOYJ]

Oreo, let me modify your post to a more sensible situation..

I have a gun. A burglar enters my house when I'm asleep. I hear him stealing my valuable antiques. I stealthily grab my gun from under my pillow, click the safety off, and sneak out of bed. I sneak around the door, and I find the burglar in my kitchen. I silently point the gun at him -

BANG, BANG, BANG!

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Oreo

Sorry, but your HO is not born up by true statistics.

Let me run you through a scenario. I am sleeping in my house, and I have no guns. A burglar enters my house. He has a gun, because even though they are illegal, he doesn't care about breaking the law, and so he has one. I wake up to find the burglar stealing my valuable antiques. I ask him politely not to do that. He shoots me. I die. He rapes my wife, and my daughter, and goes on his way.

Now another one. I have a gun. A burglar enters my house when I'm asleep. I hear him stealing my valuable antiques. I stealthily grab my gun from under my pillow, click the safety off, and sneak out of bed. I sneak around the door, and I find the burglar in my kitchen. I silently point the gun at him, and yell:

FREEZE! OR YOU'RE DOG-MEAT! PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR!

The burglar puts his hands up, I approach while pointing the gun at him, I feel for his gun, find it, get it from him, while my wife calls for the police. I keep him at gunpoint until the police arrive. Thepolice take him away. After going to the bathroom briefly, I go back to bed and finish sleeping.

Which way is better?

IMHO you've been watching too much TV