Gun laws in the place you live.

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Oreo, let me modify your post to a more sensible situation..

I have a gun. A burglar enters my house when I'm asleep. I hear him stealing my valuable antiques. I stealthily grab my gun from under my pillow, click the safety off, and sneak out of bed. I sneak around the door, and I find the burglar in my kitchen. I silently point the gun at him -

BANG, BANG, BANG!

then the guy covering the burlar, that you didnt saw shots you, steal your valuable antiques, your money and your guns.

most part of situations ends like that. you looks for a guy then have another covering him that you didnt saw, you lost your life and gave more guns to criminals.

[Oreo]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

That's just the way it worked out.

The first two times I was in my 20s - not to go into detail I was in the wrong place at the wrong time trying to do a favor for someone. From across the table a guy drew a .25 Raven on me - I pulled out a good ole .45. He blinked.

About 6 months later I heard someone scratching at my door - pulled open the door with my .45 in hand - it seemed to be a homeless guy - he ran off. When I went to work the next day I found he was trying to dig out the hinges on my front door.

The last time (about 13 years ago) my neighbor was being terrorized by 3 gang bangers. Her young daughter broke up with one. They were yelling and screaming at the house, driving their car up on the lawn and threatening everyone inside the house. I came out with my SKS and shoved the barrel in the face of the driver - they never returned.

I look back and wish I could of avoided all 3 situations but in the end I was the one who came out a head. Where I live now is almost crime free but I think it is known with a wink and a handshake the majority of the people who live on my street own a firearm or some type.

With the possible exception of the first time, when you might have avoided the situation by not being somewhere shady to begin with, I'd say you performed admirably and properly.

Those of us who depend on guns have to know we are willing to stand for what's right in the world, and to come to the aid of others in need, as you did in episode 3, see above, when necessary, even when risking one's own life to do so. I live every day realizing it could be my last. I have no qualms about dying, or killing if necessary, though I am by NO means eager to do either.

I have come close to presenting a firearm in third-person-defense once, when I was 12 years old.

My father has presented a firearm for property defense twice that I am aware of. Once he aimed right at the people's van and told them to throw out the firewood they were stealing or he would blow a hole in their radiator. They complied. My mom was calling the police at the same time. The cops picked the characters up a few minutes later, drunker than skunks.

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Oreo

Sorry, but your HO is not born up by true statistics.

Let me run you through a scenario. I am sleeping in my house, and I have no guns. A burglar enters my house. He has a gun, because even though they are illegal, he doesn't care about breaking the law, and so he has one. I wake up to find the burglar stealing my valuable antiques. I ask him politely not to do that. He shoots me. I die. He rapes my wife, and my daughter, and goes on his way.

Now another one. I have a gun. A burglar enters my house when I'm asleep. I hear him stealing my valuable antiques. I stealthily grab my gun from under my pillow, click the safety off, and sneak out of bed. I sneak around the door, and I find the burglar in my kitchen. I silently point the gun at him, and yell:

FREEZE! OR YOU'RE DOG-MEAT! PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR!

The burglar puts his hands up, I approach while pointing the gun at him, I feel for his gun, find it, get it from him, while my wife calls for the police. I keep him at gunpoint until the police arrive. Thepolice take him away. After going to the bathroom briefly, I go back to bed and finish sleeping.

Which way is better?

Don't buy it, sounds too much wishfull thinking. You forget to mention that the floor squeecks and gives you away. He awaits you and you shoot both at the same time. As he has fired is gun in anger many times more than you do, his hand doesn't tremble like yours do and hi hits you in the chest while your shot flies into the air.

[JugBR]

scenarios or fantasies ?

if you are a trained cop, and you have a situation like those "scenarios", you might be able to risk you like and your parents to kill the bastard.

if you are not trained, if you have no experience in stressfull situations, the dog met would be you.

when you have rats problems you call a rat killer, when you have criminal problems in your house you call the police and thats it. shot just if you feel they cant shot back. better stime is when they are running out and showing their f. back to you.

i have saw just too many civilian suckers died by this silly BS try to face the criminal. stupid way to die. no hero, no glory, no lifes saved, just stupid. even a soldier have to calm down in those situations, just cops can deal with that. thats why we pay cops.

[Oreo]

Originally Posted by JugBR

when you have rats problems you call a rat killer, when you have criminal problems in your house you call the police and thats it.
i have saw just too many civilian suckers died by this silly BS try to face the criminal. stupid way to die. no hero, no glory, no lifes saved, just stupid. even a soldier have to calm down in those situations, just cops can deal with that. thats why we pay cops.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Better to be a dead lion than a live dog.

I'll take my chances. No cop on earth can protect me in my home unless a cop lives in my home.

Recently in my area, a 72-year old man shot, injured, and captured a home intruder in his house in the middle of the night. There, you have a true anecdote for your collection.

The cops are the people we call to clean up blood off the floor and figure out what happened.

[Oreo]

By the way, I recommend using a pump shotgun for home defense-- it kind of eliminates the whole shaky hand problem.

[Oreo]

Originally Posted by Marcel

Don't buy it, sounds too much wishfull thinking. You forget to mention that the floor squeecks and gives you away. He awaits you and you shoot both at the same time. As he has fired is gun in anger many times more than you do, his hand doesn't tremble like yours do and hi hits you in the chest while your shot flies into the air.

This is why we practice ahead of time, many, many times. It is as important as a fire drill. You have a plan. You practice, you become an expert.

Remember, no one but you can save you.

[Oreo]

And just for everyone's info, I have had some law enforcement training, and I worked private security for four months, so I'm not coming out of the blue on this.

[Oreo]

Everyone who cares about themselves and their family needs to learn to protect themselves. I recommend gun proficiency combined with martial arts, and a good understanding of criminal psychology. Anyone can and needs to study up on these things. It is as much a part of life as balancing a checkbook or driving a car.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Torch

PB I refuse to be lumped into firearm owning scum that ruin it for other people, you are trying to do so .

not in the least but I thought it was a point that is often overlooked . A large organization like the NRA is not perfect but it baffles me as to how they think any regulation on firearms is an infringements on there civil rights

[Torch]

It's because usually here in this country you can't just have a rational regulation or law that works and would be fair, that's why you have so many special interest group fighting for all their worth to keep their ideas free. Regulation/registration leads to total control of guns, fast motorcycles, off road motorcycles and on and on. Personnally I don't want yahoos the like of what we have in congress running my life the way they think it should be run. There are so many laws in the book already for firearm sales and ownership that if they would be inforced properly this would be a minor issue. Just read somewhere that Britain is banning knives because of all the stabbings recently, what next? Why not attempt to fix the problem?, Who's doing it and why? Every shooting you have here is based upon someone having some problem which was identified before hand but nobody did anything about it.

[Torch]

Yup Flyboy, my parents immigrated to the US back in 61 from Europe and made our home in NYC for 34 years before I moved to Colorado with a job transfer.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by JugBR

then the guy covering the burlar, that you didnt saw shots you, steal your valuable antiques, your money and your guns.

most part of situations ends like that. you looks for a guy then have another covering him that you didnt saw, you lost your life and gave more guns to criminals.

Guy covering? Now we're really making up scenarios. I'd still take my chances defending myself and in my state I have a right to do so.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Torch

Yup Flyboy, my parents immigrated to the US back in 61 from Europe and made our home in NYC for 34 years before I moved to Colorado with a job transfer.

I grew up on Staten Island. Left when I was 17.

[Airfix]

Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

Amen, also reading the opinions of some europeans members I am really surprized that somebody can be a shooter for sport like the olimpic categories, those poor guys must be seen as Rambos wanabees over there.

That´s all to true

A colleague of mine is in a shooting-club.
I was invited to shoot different weapons.
My resumee:
It is rather difficult to hit a practice target at 25 meters (ca. 82 feet).
Well, for me because i´m untrained.
Do twenty push-ups before and it becomes ridiculous (for me)
I will stick with hands and feet as weapons because i can take them into every bar / pub / plane.

Taking into account that people like me walk the streets, every gun owner should precautionary shoot everyone in 10 feet radius.

By the way...
Am i right, that most of the gun enthusiasts do not live in a bigger city?
As far as i know most bigger cities in the USA have european like gun-laws.
Is that true?