Gun laws in the place you live.

CharlesBronson · 07-27-2008, 10:15 PM

I would like to hear about the regulations to adquire firearms, compressed air rifles and black powder weapons in your respective city, state/province or country in order made some comparison specially with my place.

Also it would be nice to hear what YOU think about those laws

Thank you.

freebird · 07-28-2008, 02:18 AM

CANADA: Handguns illegal in all provinces, except for Police, Collectors & Target shooting.

Shotguns & Rifles are permitted with registration

Pellet guns illegal too.

seesul · 07-28-2008, 03:00 AM

The same here.
I´m sure it´s good so.

eddie_brunette · 07-28-2008, 03:04 AM

mmm touchy subject here....

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timshatz · 07-28-2008, 09:09 AM

Only thing you're not allowed to own without a permit where I live is a machine gun. Rifles, Pistols, Shotguns, no problem. Have an air rifle in my closet to take pot shots at the crows when they go after the trash (craft little birds). Never tag them (about 125 yds down the driveway so way out of range) but they beat feet when the BBs whizz by.

Have rifles and pistols as well but they are locked up. Have a little one these days. Live in Suburban Philadelphia, Pa, USA.

CharlesBronson · 07-28-2008, 09:30 AM

Thank you guys.

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CANADA: Handguns illegal in all provinces, except for Police, Collectors & Target shooting.

No good, so my 9mm is no allowed.

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Pellet guns illegal too.

What you mean with that, every airgun are forbbidden ?

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The same here.
I´m sure it´s good so.

Good for criminals I suppose.

B-17engineer · 07-28-2008, 09:45 AM

New Jersey.....I really don't know. My dad is a cop so I could ask him when he comes back from work.

Torch · 07-28-2008, 09:55 AM

In Colorado you need a valid id(drivers license). When you purchase a firearm you fill out a form and then the gun dealer calls in to the CBI which runs a background check on you. If you pass you can buy anything you want except for automatic weapons which requires a special FFL license. As far as I'm concerned it works here and I'm glad I'm not in NYC or California nor probably Jersey either.

B-17engineer · 07-28-2008, 09:58 AM

Well were I live in Jersey its not a big town and there is very little crime. The police force has only 6 officers. My dad doesnt work on that police force he works in a town called Millburn with a much larger police force and more crime

JugBR · 07-28-2008, 10:11 AM

the law about kind of weapons used by civilians here is very prohibitive but it stays just in the papers. the drug dealers for example have mortars, grenades and ak-47´s, an average joe could buy a machinegun also without many problems.

you cant enter in a public space with a gun, but you can keep that in home. if you have a shotgun, or a uzi, police dont really cares if you keep with that in your home.

theres is a warm debate about the total pohibition of cilvilians to have guns anyway. the pro-guns argument that police dont works fine so civilians have to make their own security.

also the situation og great metropolis where theres many crime and you see 15, 16 years old childrens with ak-47´s working for a drug dealer in a favela or the wave of kidnappings is part of argumentation of pro-guns.

the anti-guns says the stats of homicides shows most part of fireguns deaths is generated by futile reasons like transit discussions, soccer hooliganism, discussions, etc... crimes made by not criminal civilians.

theres once a time that a crazy man enetered in a cinema room in são paulo and shot the crowd with a uzi 9mm.

the situation of usa where the gun laws are more open and theres these crazy nuts who shot civilians in shcools, churchs, etc... is also debated here, by anti-guns activists.

of course the guys who wants more guns are the right wingers and the anti-guns are the leftists. like other places.

freebird · 07-28-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

Thank you guys.

No good, so my 9mm is no allowed.
What you mean with that, every airgun are forbbidden ?

Good for criminals I suppose.

What do you need to shoot with your 9mm?

Sorry my mistake, only high-power air pistols are forbidden, if the muzzle velocity is less than 500 foot/sec {152 m/sec} they are allowed.

There is a long dispute with our American friends... Pbfoot can tell you more I think. If it is true that firearms make the country safer, then why is the murder/assault rate [by firearms} in the USA higher than in Canada?

renrich · 07-28-2008, 10:27 AM

In Colorado and Texas the laws are similar. All guns are legal to own except full autos. I believe that permits to carry are relatively easy to get as the law reads "shall issue." It is a little fuzzy about carrying a gun in a car while traveling without a permit. Thank goodness for the second amendment to the Constitution.

renrich · 07-28-2008, 10:28 AM

FB, how many times do we have to discuss demographics, demographics, demographics?! Around twenty years ago a study was published which although dated is still relevant although the demographics of the subject city have changed. Of all cities with more than 100000 population Boise, ID had the lowest rate of gun homicides. It was almost nothing, if memory serves, like one per year. Boise also had one of the highest rates of gun ownership. Boise also had one of the lowest percentages of the population that were minorities. In those days read Black. In looking at cities with high gun homicide rates invariably in those days they had high percentages of Black population. One can argue about the reasons for this but the fact remains that more than 65% of violent crime is perpetrated by an ethnic group which comprises only about 12% of the population. Strangely I have seen studies by Scotland Yard which show that a disproportionate amount of violent crime at that time was caused by that racial group in Britain. Demographics in most countries have changed some in recent years and two more groups are beginning to edge into the violent crime picture, I have read. Muslims in Britain and Latinos in the US but Blacks are still overrepresented as far as violent crime is concerned. Two cities stand out, New Orleans and Detroit. My suspicion is that in Boise, a growing portion of violent crime occurs in the Latino community and that community has grown a great deal in the last twenty years. As far as our second amendment is concerned I like it because it is a freedom I don't want abridged. There are literally thousands of crimes per year that are deterred by the armed citizen. The "American Rifleman" publishes a list in every issue. The states that have adopted concealed carry laws have shown no upsurge in gun homicides and arguably violent crime has decreased in those states. A saying by the gun lobby goes something like this, " if citizens are not allowed to have guns, only criminals will have guns." IMO that is a basic truth. The US is a big country, sparsely populated in many areas with few police. The borders are long and easily penetrated. More stringent gun laws would lead to illegal trafficking in guns just like liquor during prohibition and drugs today. The average citizen would be unarmed and the criminals and the few police would be armed. Aside from the fact that the founding fathers wanted the people to have the right to resist an overbearing government if need be, I and the general public are safer today, with our demograhics, with the right to keep and bear arms.

Hop · 07-28-2008, 10:39 AM

The UK:

Most handguns require a class 5 licence, which is almost impossible to get. Exceptions are small shot pistols for killing vermin and muzzle loading pistols, which include old style cap and ball revolvers.

Semi auto rifles also require a class 5 licence, except for 22 rimfire, which require a normal class 2 licence.

Class 2 licences have stringent requirements, but the police are required to issue them if the requirements are met. Typically they are that you don't have a serious criminal record (anyone sentenced to over 3 years in prison is automatically banned from having firearms), have somewhere safe to store the gun, and some reason (such as hunting, vermin control or membership of a gun club) to own one.

Class 2 licences allow you to own rifles, large magazine capacity shotguns, high powered air rifles, muzzle loading pistols, etc.

The next classification is shotguns. Again a licence is required, but there are slightly lower requirements, eg you don't need a licence to buy shotgun cartridges. Shotguns cover any smoothbore weapon with a minimum barrel length. That includes things like reproduction black powder muskets.

Low power air weapons, up to 12 ft/lbs of muzzle energy for a rifle, 6 ft/lbs for a pistol, don't require a licence. Antique weapons that aren't used for shooting live ammunition don't require a licence. Antiques are old pre cartridge weapons, and certain weapons that fire old cartridges that are no longer manufactured.

As to what I think of the laws, the handgun ban is silly. Handguns should be covered by the same class 2 licences as rifles. The rest of the rules are pretty good, and work well for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

CharlesBronson · 07-28-2008, 11:21 AM

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In Colorado you need a valid id(drivers license). When you purchase a firearm you fill out a form and then the gun dealer calls in to the CBI which runs a background check on you. If you pass you can buy anything you want except for automatic weapons which requires a special FFL license. As far as I'm concerned it works here and I'm glad I'm not in NYC or California nor probably Jersey either.

Hmm, that sounds like a good regulation to me.

By the way I dont need to shoot anybody by now with my pistol ( just some FBI targets) but I like the option to have it.

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Low power air weapons, up to 12 ft/lbs of muzzle energy for a rifle, 6 ft/lbs for a pistol, don't require a licence. Antique weapons that aren't used for shooting live ammunition don't require a licence. Antiques are old pre cartridge weapons, and certain weapons that fire old cartridges that are no longer manufactured.

Thank you HOp, is more or less what I been heard from a friend, he told me that spring air rifles and PcP ( pre charged pneumatic) were limited at 175 m/s wich must be the energy you describe.

In that aspect I suppose that we are spoiled in Argentina, we used to hunt with PCP rifles wich exceed 305 m/s in .22. No registration required.