Hail to the Red Flag, comrade !

[102first_hussars]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

There ya go, and Alberta cold be part of Texas - HEY HUSSARS, EVER RIDE A BULL!

OHHHH!!! HELLL YAAHHHH!!!! youve never heard of the Calgary Stampede?

[plan_D]

It's a well known fact that the fascist regime destroyed the Italian mafia's hold on Italian politics. Is it your aim to continually show a face of complete ignorance!?!

[102first_hussars]

Well I wasnt being ignorant I was actually stating my opinion.

Anyway Ill post a statement that doesnt appear ignorant,


Its simple, yes Mussolinis regime was very very hard on the Organised crime in Italy, he had many people arrested simply on the mere suspicion of having any type of affiliation with the Mafia, but the fact that Mussolini had completely run out and run down every Mafia member in Italy is impossible due to the fact that many Organised Crime gangs fought the Fascist regime as a Resistance during the Second World War.

[plan_D]

No, hussars, you were simply proving your ignorance. The fascist government of Italy destroyed the organised crime of the Italian mafia - it's a simple, and well known fact. Individuals left out in the open does not mean the organised crimes rings still exist, they were soundly crushed.

In the U.S, the mafia and organised crime rings were also smashed with brutal efficiency. The late 1930s and early 1940s were harsh times for those running business on the wrong side of the law.

These "organised crime groups" that fought in the resistance against the fascist leadership were not taking part in their old criminal activities. And they certainly were not anything compared to the gangs they used to run, or form a part of. It was a resistance movement because organised crime was crushed.

[102first_hussars]

Where is this information if its such a well known fact?

Is there a site they will support what youre saying?

[Pisis]

It's quite a well-known fact, Huss.
Also in 1943 on US Army invasion to sicilly, most of the invading soldiers were originally Italians, who made it to America (btw, look at Francis Ford coppola's "The Godfather"...) and who set up their "roots" there to disflow the fascists regime there.......

[pbfoot]

the mafia is quite alive and well in sicily calabria and north america they are far more established and far subtler ask any judge or senior police officer involved with the justice system in Italy whether there is mafia

[plan_D]

They may be well established now but they were crushed in the 1930s and 1940s. I thought anyone serious about studying World War II knew that. But then, I don't expect a massive overflowing well of knowledge in the form of hussars - 'cos ...well, hussars, you're a dumbass.

"Benito Mussolini's Fascist government succeeded for a time in suppressing the Mafia, but the organization emerged again after World War II ended in 1945. Over the next 30 years the Mafia became a power not only in Sicily but all over Italy as well. The Italian government began an anti-Mafia campaign in the early 1980s, leading not only to a number of arrests and sensational trials, but also to the assassination of several key law-enforcement officials in retaliation. Public outrage was tempered by the arrest in 1993 of the reputed Mafia leader, Salvatore Riina."

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_.../Mafia.html#p2


Notice how the Mafia emerged once again post-World War II. Why? Because the U.S had installed the Mafia in Sicily when the Allies invaded.


"Mafia Support

The involvement of organized crime remains one of the more enigmatic aspects of the Sicilian campaign, and much nonsense has been published about it. In exchange for deportation to Italy in lieu of serving a prison sentence in the United States, the American (but Italian-born) gangster "Lucky" Luciano aided the war effort by encouraging the members of the Mafia-influenced labor unions working American ports around New York to cooperate in identifying possible sources of espionage. This followed the destruction of the SS Normandie, possibly due to German sabotage. (The ship would have been useful in troop transport, as it could outrun any German submarine.) In Sicily, Mafiosi acting on the advice of American contacts cooperated with American forces after the landings, but their efforts did little to aid the invasion itself. Indeed, that was unnecessary; the poor condition and morale of Italian troops had been proven in Africa and elsewhere, and Allied armies needed no internal coercion to encourage such troops to surrender. Moreover, Allied intelligence was already efficient, and aerial bombardments had softened many targets while demoralizing the population. None of this was owed to the Mafia, many exponents of which were in prison --where they perhaps should have remained. Calogero Vizzini and others provided additional intelligence and identified friendly parties (Mafiosi) imprisoned in Sicily as opponents to the Fascist regime. (It was easy for the Mafiosi to pose as anti-Fascists.) These individuals were promptly released. A number of key Mafiosi assisted the Allies in administration during the occupation and several were appointed to replace Fascist mayors of Sicilian towns."

http://www.bestofsicily.com/ww2.htm#Mafia_Support

Do you want anymore hussars!?!

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Good info there.

[102first_hussars]

"Benito Mussolini's Fascist government succeeded for a time in suppressing the Mafia, but the organization emerged again after World War II ended in 1945."

Key word "suppressing" means to hold down, submerge,to stop or to cover up. It doesnt mean end, destroy, run them out, end their existance.

The point you made was that Mussolini in fact wiped them out, but once the war ended they just all of the sudden came back from the dead


Now these two sources conflict each other,

The first from encarta suggests that Mussolini "suppressed" the Mafia, but Emerged again after WWII, meaning they were still around.

But the second says that the the Mafia was basically GONE but then was established again by the U.S.

I may be a redneck from Alberta, but Im not stupid and I understand what I read which is more than I can say for you PD