Hillary Clinton - Her Own Words!

timshatz · 02-03-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Emac44

And Tim I agree about those clueless about making money have any idea about spending money. Ever noticed the ones who bitch about Banks and Credit Cards percentage are the ones who got themselves in debt in first place. and in 2nd place bitch about why Banks make profits. Hell dummy (not you Tim) realize this Banks are in it to make profits not friends and all of this for their stock and portfolio investors

You got it Emac, it's about making a buck. Those that bitch the most about being up to their eyes in debt are also the ones who tend to vote in politicians that promise them somebody else will pay for it all. They want it all, they want it now, and they want someone else to pay for it.

Emac44 · 02-03-2007, 11:19 AM

Mk saw a very interesting documentary some weeks ago about Polar Magnetic Flip. This is a natural occurence according to scienctist and over a period of say 500 million years. it may have occured several times in this period of Magnetic Global Flip. Program explained the Earth is overdue to exchange Magnetic Polar Flip by 650,000 years. the idea behind this Polar Magnetic Flip where the decrease in actual current Polar regions would and could causes current Polar regions to decrease up to and including when the Flip does occur. If this is the case then logically the shrinking of the Polar regions would look like they are receeding and melting etc from their current locations and would have the appearance of being effected by greenhouse emissions and could be mistaken for global warming. If that is correct then the Global magnetic Flip effect is a normal process the earth does and there is nothing we can do about it. This is just one counter theory about the Polar regions etc

Emac44 · 02-03-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by timshatz

You got it Emac, it's about making a buck. Those that bitch the most about being up to their eyes in debt are also the ones who tend to vote in politicians that promise them somebody else will pay for it all. They want it all, they want it now, and they want someone else to pay for it.

Tim there is only one way to make money. sheer hard work nose to grind stone etc. hell credit card debt is for dummies not patient enough to go without for awhile. anything of true value worth having like a home or homes one works for that. credit cards only serve one purpose to enrich the banks with high percentage repayments. Tim equity in home that is valued Banks love people having a mortgage and obtaining equity gives you more power over your own mortgage and future. Virtually the banks come to you especially if you have more than one home in your portfolio and investment properties etc. Wonder if hilary will bitch about that next Americans with rental properties making money or investing in property market

mkloby · 02-03-2007, 12:23 PM

Didn't you know - nobody has a right to make more money than anybody else. It's inherently wrong

Emac44 · 02-03-2007, 12:39 PM

ok so i am inherently wrong about making more money that the bloke across the street Mk who works 9 to 5 and i work shifts and overtime and decided to invest and save my money. ok so sue me hahahaha

mkloby · 02-03-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Emac44

ok so i am inherently wrong about making more money that the bloke across the street Mk who works 9 to 5 and i work shifts and overtime and decided to invest and save my money. ok so sue me hahahaha

Oh you are so wrong, an a horrible person too.

Interesting post up there. I guess there's really know way to tell whether it's the earth's natural cycle, or if emissions have any effect on it. There's scientists on both sides presenting data to support their case.

pbfoot · 02-03-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

They might be ahead but they have not been able to do a thing about it. Hell it reached almost 60 degrees here today and it is just the beginning of February.

I read that germany actually dropped the amount of power produced by power companies by letting people produce their own power by whatever means and selling it to the national grid. its now law in this province that any excess power developed by whatever means will be purchased by the grid here for $.44/kwh the same rate that they sell it at

timshatz · 02-03-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Emac44

ok so i am inherently wrong about making more money that the bloke across the street Mk who works 9 to 5 and i work shifts and overtime and decided to invest and save my money. ok so sue me hahahaha

More like tax you. Or tax most of the people on this board. My incremental tax level is over 50% now (when I add it all up- yup that is in the US). Most of it going to crap that I'd really rather it not. But, I know you have to take the good with the bad. It's the way the thing works out. Democratic societies are not perfect, but they're better than the alternative.

What annoys me are people who do not contribute to the society in military service, taxes or social responsibility. I've done all three and get annoyed by idiots saying this is a lousy society because it doesn't cater to their every need. And they are people who do little but bitch. Why can't we exchange them for foriegners who want to come here and build a life. Hey, just because your ancestors made it across the pond 4-5 generations ago, doesn't mean you get a hall pass.

Just a thought.

Back the global warming thing. Heard the Earth has been warming for the last 18K years. And the great flood of water from the melting of the ice caps amounts to less than the width of a nickel (US$) a year. Further, this is not the first warming period we've gone through in the last thousand years. There was another one in the middle ages that was so warm, they were making wine in England (I hear that has started again). The climate is cyclical. While people may be a force that affects the climate, the level of that affect is unknown.

pbfoot · 02-03-2007, 04:38 PM

I know you don't think much of Al Gore but to make an opinion sometimes you might not like the messenger but his message may be valid
YouTube - An Inconvenient Truth - Trailer I think it is a must see movie

FLYBOYJ · 02-03-2007, 05:23 PM

Although Al Gore has brought up the environmental issue, he's another democrat fruitcake. Whiny little Mommy's boy that's just part of the pseudo-socialist segment of the Democrat Party.

Al Gore on the Issues

Erich · 02-03-2007, 07:39 PM

I've seen gores attempt.........poop !

this is interesting from another forum. heck I luv Ice Climbing ~ this is actually along the lines of Tim's thoughts, his last paragraph ....

My education is as a glacial geologist who actually took coursework in paleoclimatology. The planet has been warmer than now for 99.99% of the last 500my. These last five global warming cycles (this being the fifth) that started about 450,000 years ago all look alike; including this cycle. This last bit of warming (about 20 degrees F) started about 15,000 years ago and the period that is most of this controversy is just the decoration on the frosting on the warming cake. 99% of the warming took place before the last 1000 years.

One of the most interesting things about this controversy is the focus on CO2, which not only is a trailing indicator of warming, but is a very minor greenhouse gas. Water vapor is 60 - 100 times more potent as a greenhouse gas (depending on the temperature of the vapor. A small increase in water vapor equals a very large increase in CO2 for greenhouse effect. Yet those pushing to reduce CO2 emissions propose methods that would significantly increase water vapor emissions!

Each of the last four times global warming has gotten about to the point we are at, the Arctic Ocean melts and we make continental glaciers with the increased evaporation at the northern polar regions and have a nice ice age!

John

pbfoot · 02-03-2007, 07:48 PM

Sorry Erich I want to disagree for every one that state s that fact there are 10 that state the opposite .
Read the other day that Austraila in 10 or so years will be severely cutting back water to 25% of present allowable which is curtailed as it is . I hope I got this correct if any aussies can comment.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-03-2007, 07:49 PM

I am not one of these scientists or anything so I cant say if it is natural cycle or not but I do know one thing we dont need to help the warming along. We do need to do something about the way we as earthlings live or lives.

I am not a tree hugger or hippy or anything like that but I do believe in preserving our environment and our planet.

Erich · 02-03-2007, 07:55 PM

there are a bazillion reasons going through everyones minds as it should be, and I think there is some alarm, but I am not in control of this earth, someone else of HIGHER POWER is

we were talking about this this morn in cloudy 30F weather on a bike ride looking up at the west hill which was scrapped off for all the million dollar plus homes the last 5 years. imagine what that had done for the overall climate in my berg ............ yes heated it up. You can stand under an evergreen in the hottest of climes and it will naturally be 10 degrees F or cooler every time. the forests in Oregon have been raped and even with logging firms that have their act together and replant they will never get to maturity in a reasonable amount of time. I firmly believe the stupidity of politics has not helped my own state in dealing with this issue quite a major one I firmly feel and it has been an ulcer on Oregon's butt for over 35 years
all I am doing gents is just throwing out possibilities ............ no one actually has it all right, and we need to get a grip, who needs to get paranoic

abramsteve · 02-04-2007, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

Sorry Erich I want to disagree for every one that state s that fact there are 10 that state the opposite .
Read the other day that Austraila in 10 or so years will be severely cutting back water to 25% of present allowable which is curtailed as it is . I hope I got this correct if any aussies can comment.

Yea mate but its one of those things. We are the dryest continent on earth (bar antartica so Im told) so we are not naturaly a very habbitable place. Add 20 million + people, add industry, much of it agricultral and what do you get? Huge demand for water. Add a drought, which is very very common, and then what do you get? Water shortage.

I have a huge problem with the idiots who think that spending massive amounts on energy issues is going to help our water supply issues. Especially when you look at some of the facts, like that we get as much rainfall in the northern parts of the country as a few european countrys, yet it goes to waste. Why? Because we spend the money that could be used to build massive pipe lines and dams in the north, on crap like rediculous levels of welfare and reducing fuel consumption.

Selling back energy to the grid is a good idea. Government subsities for having a rain water tank is a good idea. Taking money from corporations to spend on a quick fix for political gain is a bad and damaging idea, let alone a dangerous one.