Hillary Clinton - Her Own Words!

[Emac44]

Have to agree with Steve on most of what he said. However 3 weeks ago the CSIRO came out and said that our current drought was due to normal cylces that occur once every 350 years or so and going back in time this continent has had at least 30 long lasting droughts in 350 year cycles. In other words we get a long lasting 5 to 10 year drought once every 350 years etc. Couple this with El Nino effect of the west coast of South America and we get a severe drought conditions effecting areas of the Country. But the strange thing is 2 days exactly after CSIRO report came the counter claim from other scienctists discounting above studies and they claimed it was due to EL NINO but maybe something to do with Global warming. but they were unsure. Can one of them at least get it right

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I read that germany actually dropped the amount of power produced by power companies by letting people produce their own power by whatever means and selling it to the national grid. its now law in this province that any excess power developed by whatever means will be purchased by the grid here for $.44/kwh the same rate that they sell it at

PB - 44 cents!??? I only pay between 8-9 cents per kwh for power in my house back in pensacola!

[Nonskimmer]

44 cents Canadian, so that's about 37 cents US. Joy, huh?

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by mkloby

PB - 44 cents!??? I only pay between 8-9 cents per kwh for power in my house back in pensacola!

sorry that i misquoted its between .055/kwh to .067/kwh

[Husky]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

No I think North America has just discovered Global Warming the Western European nations are 5 years of us in N Amer
in ahead dealing with it.

Dealing with what? Allowing a global cartel to impose draconian “pay-off” charges upon their nations and people for the Kyoto standards they cannot even meet?

I may not have the numbers exactly right but I believe the US in 2006 has spent more dollars in researching, developing and implementing “green”er energy then the combination of every other nation of this planet.

Furthermore, and again, the specific references escape me, but the generality I believe holds true; for the past 30 years the US has reduced pollution emissions by some 47% or so. The population has grown near 30% in the same time and the national GDP has grown some on the likes of 187%.

That ain't too bad man.

[FLYBOYJ]

Global Warming, something to chew on...

Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.

[timshatz]

And they're gonna give Al Gore a nobel for a theory! Proves the Nobel ain't what it used to be (probably never was).

[pbfoot]

I'm sorry but because of his political stripe it does not automatically make the guy incorrect For every study that backs your point of view there are 10 saying the opposite whether Kyoto is the way to go I don't know but what is for sure is that the world is changing dramatically in my opinion to deny that is akin to the ostrich. what will happen when the water supply for the western US cannot match the needs and that is not far away. I believe sometimes it is better to err on the side of caution . Ethonal is a which we are boosting actually causes more problems the the gains . Inhofe whom makes many statements in your link is a nutter who wants to base policy towards Israel on the bible . is the same guy that said when the Oklahoma City bombing took place said there wouldn't be many casualties because goverment workers wouldn't be at there desk

[Erich]

sorry PB but I personally feel Gore is a bonifide, certified loon.......

there is nothing his little band can do about what has happend for generations not this 6 months to a year if we Americans firmly or a small section of Americans believe that ..........

in any case a good supposition would be to get off our big fat easy going butts and ride bikes and leave one of the principle aspects of our air quality at home . suv, 4x4's - yeah I'm guilty, and cars

[timshatz]

PB, I see your point and conceed that all the studies on all sides of the issue have backers and detractors. My point is not that Al Gore is wrong (or that he is right) but that the whole issue is politicised to the point at which it is not longer a question of science but of belief. In the words of that little rat Joeseph Goebels, "Say something long enough and loud enough and people will take it as the truth". And if there was ever someone who knew how to politicise anything, it was the Nazis.

The whole concept of Global Warming is out of the realm of serious discussion and just this side of kookery. My dig against the jokers putting out the Nobel Nonsense is they are taking a movie which is essentially propoganda and considering it accurate and based on fact. That it is based on an unsubstantiated theory is closer to the truth. But the pervayors of this perspective have an agenda. In this case, the facts are manipulated to support the perspective.

Do Humans affect the climate? Most likely yes. There are 6 billion of us, we have to have some affect. Is that the major cause of Global Warming? At present, the jury is still out. My dig against Al is he is taking an unsubstantiated theory and treating it as truth for political gain. The Nobel people are simply helping him along. As representatives of an award that is a high point in science, they should be far more skeptical.

Politics is far more in force here than science.

PS- Sorry for not spell checking.

[Erich]

do humans pass gas ?

[pbfoot]

The question I guess is are you willing to gamble on the future for me personally I worry about what my kid will find in 20years as at that point I'll be a my twilight unless i do a Ted Williams but my kid is in my opinion going to find an ever more turbulent world . I've never seen Gores flick except for trailers but base my opinion on 50 some years of paying attention and reading . Maybe I'm abit of a pessimist but definately not a tree hugger. And to answer Erichs question about gas cattle are the largest polluter of methane gas I'm going to assume human gas is a about the same

[Erich]

they both stink, and yes I used to be a tree hugger ........ ah youth it is gone.

I've already told my kids to watch and be aware some years ago and to take off for the mountains if need be to strike it out on their own. both of them are incredibly resilient

[Emac44]

Al Gore to receive a Nobel Peace Prize for his movie. Makes a lot of sense. Seeing that the Nobel Peace Prize has been highjacked on more than 1 occassion to suit political cant. 2 examples I can think of when they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Yasa Arafat a known terrorist for the PLO and Nelson Mandala the front man for the ANC (African National Congress). Ask Incarta Zulus what they thought of the ANC. They despised them more than the White Afrikan Government at the time

[timshatz]

Also gave a second one to Jimmy Carter. He earned the first one. Getting the Egyptians and Israelis to sit down and sign a treaty was worth it. But the second one? Near as I can tell he got it for speaking out about the war. But the guy is in his 80s and a curmudgeon. He speaks out about everything. That's what old men do. They bitch.