How Do You Grade the Bush Administrations Energy Policy

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by freebird

Very few of the Dem's have a sensible energy policy. But things are looking up, the new bill bans the government from buying oil from the USA's unstable northern neighbor {Canada}, so that you can drive up the price for Iran & S. Arabia.....

Thanks guys.....

Oil Scene: A Drab Debate Becomes Interesting

"California Democrat Representative Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Republican Tom Davis added the clause."

Just so you know FB this guy is a total fruitcake, he makes some NDP members look like extreme right wing fascists. Right now the Dems are scrambling - there are polls out where close to 60% of the US population want to start drilling in Alaska and offshore - these pandering political left-wing pu$sies will eventually cave in.

[Messy1]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

"California Democrat Representative Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Republican Tom Davis added the clause."

Just so you know FB this guy is a total fruitcake, he makes some NDP members look like extreme right wing fascists. Right now the Dems are scrambling - there are polls out where close to 60% of the US population want to start drilling in Alaska and offshore - these pandering political left-wing pu$sies will eventually cave in.

60% and I'm sure that number is only going to rise!

[Haztoys]

And as a guy who has worked in mining and oil ruff necking and logging ... They do not hurt the ego system any more..And have not for fifty years plus ...But the Libs keep making people think they still do .. There very ego sensitive now a days .. Its like who's the number one group putting trees in the ground...........Logging ...Not Tree Hugger inc ... They just run the month ...As the logging people are out in the woods putting trees in the ground ...In mining the Liberals always show some fifty year old mine ..And not whats going on now a days..

Conservatives fight with facts ...Liberals fight with rumors and pics of died baby's

[renrich]

Flyboy, the polls I have seen are well over 60% for drilling off shore and that includes many dems. Kruska, not to be too much of a skeptic but the US is a great country for a number of reasons, most of which have little to do with it's voters. Obviously, it's geographical location and the abundance of natural resources have played a big role. The system of government set up by an inspired group of leaders in the beginning and a population of industrious and courageous and somewhat homogeneous settlers with a common language played a big part. Contrast the outcome of the various parts of the New World settled by English speaking people versus the Spanish and French speaking settlers, especially the Spanish. However, it is a myth that our country was originally set up as a democracy with universal suffrage. It was intended to be a Republic with limited suffrage. The only factor which has kept this country from going completely socialist or collectivist, IMO, now that we have universal suffrage, is the apathy of the voters that PB talks about. God help us if all the eligible voters ever vote.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Just so you know FB this guy is a total fruitcake, he makes some NDP members look like extreme right wing fascists. Right now the Dems are scrambling - there are polls out where close to 60% of the US population want to start drilling in Alaska and offshore - these pandering political left-wing pu$sies will eventually cave in.

Yes I have heard of him, a wingnut for sure. I've posted quite a few times critical of the Repub's war policy, but many Dems are way out to lunch on energy, thats for sure.

Originally Posted by renrich

Flyboy, the polls I have seen are well over 60% for drilling off shore and that includes many dems.

Big problem you guys in the US have with your political system - With only 2 parties, the very "Red" and "Blue" districts tend to have the most extreme members, and are the safest. So the reps who have virtually zero chance of losing their seat are the most radical, and often the longest serving. {Waxman, Wrangel, Pelosi etc}. This means that the "moderates" don't last long enough to reach leadership, its the radicals {with seniority} who become the leaders & chairmen of committees.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by freebird

Big problem you guys in the US have with your political system - With only 2 parties, the very "Red" and "Blue" districts tend to have the most extreme members, and are the safest. So the reps who have virtually zero chance of losing their seat are the most radical, and often the longest serving. {Waxman, Wrangel, Pelosi etc}. This means that the "moderates" don't last long enough to reach leadership, its the radicals {with seniority} who become the leaders & chairmen of committees.

Actually we have something like 23 recognized political parties but only 2 get the "billing." The Democrat Party needs to split so all the fruitcakes could leave and form their own party. Thats why these days independants are growing in numbers, I think something like 20% of the voting public consider themselves independant.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Actually we have something like 23 recognized political parties but only 2 get the "billing." The Democrat Party needs to split so all the fruitcakes could leave and form their own party. Thats why these days independants are growing in numbers, I think something like 20% of the voting public consider themselves independant.

Actually I think the ideal would be to get 10 - 12 "moderate" or "Blue Dog" Democrat senators, like Evan Bayh, Webb, Biden, Byron Dorgan, Ben & Bill Nelson, Max Baucus, Casey, & Lieberman to join up with 10 - 12 moderate Republicans like Coleman, Grassley, Spector, Lugar, Voinovich, Snowe & Collins to form a centerist party. {like the "gang of 14"} They could form a new "centerist" party, to prevent either extreme from forcing through policy. As it is the "Neo-Cons" seem to be controlling the Republicans, while the Obama/Kerry/Kennedy/Waxman "wingnuts" seem to be steering the moderate Democrats further left.

Moderates could target 25 - 50 key "swing" house seats. The ideal situation would be that the Democrats & Republicans would each have about 38% of the Senate seats, with 22 - 25 "centerists" holding the balance of power. That way the two parties would have to govern from the center.

[renrich]

FB, the problem with your approach is that few of the dems you mentioned are "moderate" and Lieberman is no longer a dem. Neither of the Repub leaders in the senate or house are neo cons either. As long as the dem party is controlled by the far left(which I see no signs of ever changing) the only "bi partisanship" which will ever take place will be when the GOP does as the dem leadership wants them to. Why would your so called moderate dems want to give up all their power to form a coalition with the lowly repubs when they have done everything in their power including treason, IMO, to bring the repubs to where they are now? Are you laboring under the mistaken belief that they are statesmen like George Bush and really want what is best for our country?

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by freebird

Actually I think the ideal would be to get 10 - 12 "moderate" or "Blue Dog" Democrat senators, like Evan Bayh, Webb, Biden, Byron Dorgan, Ben & Bill Nelson, Max Baucus, Casey, & Lieberman to join up with 10 - 12 moderate Republicans like Coleman, Grassley, Spector, Lugar, Voinovich, Snowe & Collins to form a centerist party. {like the "gang of 14"} They could form a new "centerist" party, to prevent either extreme from forcing through policy. As it is the "Neo-Cons" seem to be controlling the Republicans, while the Obama/Kerry/Kennedy/Waxman "wingnuts" seem to be steering the moderate Democrats further left.

Moderates could target 25 - 50 key "swing" house seats. The ideal situation would be that the Democrats & Republicans would each have about 38% of the Senate seats, with 22 - 25 "centerists" holding the balance of power. That way the two parties would have to govern from the center.

Hello freebird,

Sounds like a good solution for any country. But the big parties are very aware of this and will do their best to stop this scenario from ever happening.

Regards
Kruska