How it will feel if Hillary gets elected...

Bucksnort101 · 02-21-2008, 04:24 PM

I could live with that DB. Current state of the Republican Party just is plain nasty towards the more conservative members. They have taken a Moderate stance and don't seem to care about what the more Conservative members of the party think. They have been down right antagonistic towards that side of the party for a while now. That is why I am having trouble supporting Mr. McCain and many other Republicans at this time.

DBII · 02-21-2008, 05:05 PM

My college major was Political Science. One thing that has always remained the same is that nature hates a vaccum. Someone or something will show up. I hope that it is nothing extreme.

I read during Clinton's re-election run that Kennedy's econ plan presented during the "...ask what you can do for you country." speech is considered to be extreme right wing policy today. I wish I could rememeber where I read it.

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renrich · 02-21-2008, 05:36 PM

DB and Bucksnort, I really don't understand your problem with McCain. I believe he is perhaps not quite as conservative as Reagan was ( remember that Reagan was a democrat at one time, he signed a bill that gave illegal immigrants full amnesty and the deficits during his terms were huge so he wasn't exactly a fiscal conservative) and McCain may be one of the best men in the country to be the C in C and lead our country in time of war. He is not perfect but what president was (except maybe for George Washington.)

Bucksnort101 · 02-21-2008, 05:50 PM

Read this about the "Reagan Amnesty" and compare to the most recent amnesty being pushed upon. Two different beasties.

Take the Reagan Amnesty Pop Quiz!

I beleive Reagan any deficit that Reagan incurred for the most part was for the re-building of the US Military and bringing an end to the cold war. Maybe I'm not 100% correct on this, but it was a large portion of his spending during his time in office.

DBII · 02-21-2008, 06:01 PM

Reagan allowed a one time amnesty in exchange for the borders being closed. They were never closed. Reagan's economic program resulted in the ended of the runaway inflation that started in Nixon's time and peaked during Carter's time in office. Money markets were getting aroung 18% interest then. Sure he spent money but if I remember right his economy polices kicked in during Daddy's Bush term and continued through to Clinton's.

I am not sure that Mc Cain is the right person to be C and C. The fact that he has been doing intel for congress and was in the military does not mean that he will be a good Cmdr. I think that his time as a prisoner of war has clouded his judgement about how a war should be run. I also think that his age is a big negative. If he dies in office, who is the VP that will take over?

Reagan let in 10 of thousands of illegals in and McCain will let in what 20 million. He also wants the leave the anchor baby program in place. No other western country allows citizenship just because their parents can cross the border and give birth.

DBII

renrich · 02-21-2008, 06:30 PM

Don't misunderstand me. I have voted for every Republican presidential candidate since Eisenhower and I always had high regard for Reagan. We did spend a lot of money on the military under Reagan and it is said that the USSR tried to keep up and that is the reason the Soviet Union collapsed. That probably is at least partially true. The deficits were enormous under Reagan but ultimately the economy grew to the point the budget became balanced but that was also because of a tax increase. I was paying 21% interest at one point during the Reagan Revolution. But defending Reagan doesn't tell me why McCain is a bad choice. The fact is that McCain insisted we did not have enough troops in Iraq from the beginning and that we needed a troop surge to stabilise the situation and he appears to have been correct. That tells me he would be a good C in C. I would bet that our military will be pleased if he is elected. Why do you think his military service has clouded his judgment? What evidence do you have for that? How do you know he would let in 20 M illegals? That does not sound plausible to me. The immigration bill he supported was also supported by Bush and many legislators on both side of congress. A new immigration bill will have to be much improved over the old one from last year. McCain's voting record is rated as around 80 to 85% conservative. that is light years from the voting record of the two dem candidates. There is always a risk that a president could die in office. His choice for VP will be important for many reasons. He seems to be a pretty tough guy to me though.

pbfoot · 02-21-2008, 07:07 PM

If I was a republican i would hope for a Democratic victory with Obama one reason being that the voters will have a short memory and if the forecast economic woes come true then the Dems will take the fall for the bad times .Leaving 2012 open for a 2 term Pres
. Obama will also take the stigma about blacks and slavery out of the picture as a blackman that reached the pinnacle , leaving no excuse for future failure in life due to race that could be played

freebird · 02-22-2008, 01:21 AM

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Freebird, are you anywhere around Houston?
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No I was in Dallas, San Antonio & Laredo.

Laredo is practically part of Mexico now from the looks of it.

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I am hoping more and more for a 3rd party. A split would be good for the country. The old R and D party would merg and become the Progressive party and the splinter group would become the Nationalist party or Conservative party.
DBII

You're firing on all cylinders today DB, I agree with you, as I've always thought that the US political system is handicapped by the two-party status quo. I think the third party should have a new name though, the old "Progressive" label {ie Teddy Roosevelt progressives} has been tainted by the new ultra liberal so-called "progressives". I think a good name for the third party would be the "Patriot" party. Problem now is that the primary system shuts out the moderates, you get the far left & far right calling the shots.

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Reagan let in 10 of thousands of illegals in and McCain will let in what 20 million. He also wants the leave the anchor baby program in place. No other western country allows citizenship just because their parents can cross the border and give birth.
DBII

Right again, but I think he's being pragmatic on that perhaps, I don't think they will be able to change it now. But you are right, it was foolish to reward people for sneaking in and then having kids in your country

renrich · 02-22-2008, 09:31 AM

PB, as an observer of politics in the US, you are a Canadian. If your forecast of the impending financial problems is true the democrat party and their lapdogs, the media, will pin that on Bush and when the economy turns around, the dems will claim the credit. In the meantime, we will have a wet behind the ears, socialist who will appoint leftwing supremes and push legislation that will take us further down the road toward a collectivist society. He will gut our military in order to spend more money on social programs. The US will be so weak militarily and morally that there will be the strong possibility that a China that is going stronger every day, as is Russia will be able to do as they please and islamic terrorism will flourish. Don't think that Canada will be immune from these effects because you will no longer have the strength both military and moral of the US to shelter behind.

DBII · 02-22-2008, 10:17 AM

Sorry about dropping out yesterday. My lady had emergency surgery and I had a 2 hr drive to be with her. Scared the **** out of us. She will be ok and it was not Cancer they thought she had.

Renrich, I love the discussions here. BS is not allowed and a person has to have sources. It forces one to use the brain god gave us. I will go back and do my homework on McCain and give you an educated response. I only wish the press would force those running for office to do their homework. Screw the debates. Force the canidates to appear on thread and defend their postions. Can you see these canidates in front of the population in the 18 or 19th centuary? Were is the tar?

Canada stopped there anchor baby policy not to long ago, I wish we could do the same. I think it would require a constitutional amendment.

Are we getting off topic here? Let the Clinton bashing begin!!!

DBII

renrich · 02-22-2008, 10:47 AM

DB, agree with all you said. Looks like hillarita, don't know if you saw my earlier comparison between hillary and Evita Peron but that is why I call her hillarita, may be history. Her deal with slick willy reminds me also of Ma and Pa Ferguson, governers of Texas during the 20s. If she loses the nomination we have to defeat hussein obama. He scares me more than hillarita because I believe bill would have a moderating influence on her, while hussein is going to think he is King Kong and will set out to make his mark on our country and our citizens who make this country great will suffer accordingly. Glad your scare with your wife is contained. Hope you continue to have good news in that area.

pbfoot · 02-22-2008, 02:15 PM

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PB, as an observer of politics in the US, you are a Canadian. If your forecast of the impending financial problems is true the democrat party and their lapdogs, the media, will pin that on Bush and when the economy turns around, the dems will claim the credit. In the meantime, we will have a wet behind the ears, socialist who will appoint leftwing supremes and push legislation that will take us further down the road toward a collectivist society. He will gut our military in order to spend more money on social programs. The US will be so weak militarily and morally that there will be the strong possibility that a China that is going stronger every day, as is Russia will be able to do as they please and islamic terrorism will flourish. Don't think that Canada will be immune from these effects because you will no longer have the strength both military and moral of the US to shelter behind.

It takes years to make any significant changes in the US , and as I stated "if"the forecast financial crunch happens the majority of people like anywhere in the world have a collective short memory they won't pin it on the Rep they'll only recall the bad times they had under the "present admin".

renrich · 02-22-2008, 02:18 PM

Watching hussein and hillarita making nice with one another makes me sick. She tells him something to the effect that it is not about us, regardless of who wins we will be fine. How do you suppose our enemies feel after watching that display about "feelings." Can't they understand that none of us out here care about whether they "feel" fine or not? What I want to know is whether they have the guts to stand up and do what is in the best interests of our country. I doubt either of them do.

freebird · 02-22-2008, 06:51 PM

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Canada stopped there anchor baby policy not to long ago, I wish we could do the same. I think it would require a constitutional amendment.

Are we getting off topic here? Let the Clinton bashing begin!!!

DBII

Perhaps not DB. What it requires is a President & Congress to stipulate that the 14th amendment that requires a baby born in the USA to be "subject to the juristiction of the USA" means that babys born to illegal's do not meet the defenition {just as babys born to foreign diplomats are naturalized as citizens of their home country, not the USA} If the congress passes it I don't think the supreme court will overrule them.

I would say that babys born of illegals should be in the care of their parents, and deported with them. Allow the baby to apply for US citizenship at age 18, provided that they meet other requirements. {speak english, no criminal background, heath check, etc}

freebird · 02-28-2008, 09:12 PM

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Watching hussein and hillarita making nice with one another makes me sick. What I want to know is whether they have the guts to stand up and do what is in the best interests of our country. I doubt either of them do.

But now that McCain is going to be the nominee, I heard that Hillary has a new celebrity who will campaign for her and you won't believe who it is....

Is she nuts?

YouTube - Ann Coulter I will support Hillary if McCain gets nomination