HUSSEIN EXECUTED

lesofprimus · 01-02-2007, 08:00 PM

Ur welcome..

mkloby · 01-02-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

I wondered which two people in the US watched that movie.

I think I might have even somewhat liked that movie

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-04-2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

And Crow. Let's have your solution, my man. Conveniences in your eyes are mitigated with evil solutions. Comraderie with the ilk of Saddam in my eyes are expedient means of furthering US (and I would like to believe, World) security without our mutual bloodshed.

So what specifically, Crow, do you object to in the US policy in dealing with Iraq or more specifically Saddam. Let's hear it.

I take it he responded and later deleted his post?

I agree with you fully though in your next post.

Erich · 01-04-2007, 03:13 PM

ya know it's really interesting ever since Nam and especially the last 10 plus years with involvement in the mid-east why we as the barbarians in so many eyes, and if so why we just didn't cream sickle all of the mideast for "my" Velodrome. you see we are not the evil the world perpetrates us to be

E ~ can hardly wait for the next mid-east pan licker to come aboard, and he will or the combination of

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-04-2007, 04:51 PM

I have to agree with you Erich, but the liberals (and seems to me that all of the liberals are attracted to this forum for some reason) will not agree with us.

Udet · 01-04-2007, 05:09 PM

It might be true he "deserved it". However, and since i did not follow up with the details of his case, i wonder if the man had a trial, and not a circus or show trial.

No matter how brutal the accused can be, he must have a fair trial. Having the right to a fair trial is an international norm; so if you say you belong in a civilized place, the accused shall have a fair trial.

If prosecutors fail to make a case at court, even if the accused did what charges indicate, he may walk out free. Sorry, but that is how it should work.

Were the atrocities committed by Iraqi forces during the Iran/Irak war of the 1980s -when Hussein was sponsored by the U.S.A.- part of the indictment? Or what they did was a cherrypicking of atrocities to have him tried?

A fair trial...and not some show. Irrelevant in the end, as things have been done.

Makes me think, for instance, of Luftwaffe General Alexander Löhr, handed over to the Yugoslav hyenas after the war, who moved ahead with a show trial which lead to Löhr´s execution...while Sir Arthur "-Civilian- Bomber" Harris sat at the victor´s feast, raising his cup with a huge smile on his face.

Erich · 01-04-2007, 05:12 PM

ok guys get this ...........little man was tried in a WESTERN TYPE COURT OF LAW, not the usual eastern of the land. had it been done it would of been quick possibly with no accusations but the sentance would of been carried out either by beheading or hanging and in the mid-east that means impalement usually on the city wall

so do we then deem what was done as fair ? by all means yes, he could of gotten the chop or the poke which I truly believe should of happened to him

Udet · 01-04-2007, 05:33 PM

Erich, ok.

I agree with you punishing methods in some lands of this planet can be brutal beyond description. Still, and except for the graphic nature, i do not see that much difference between seeing a man getting chopped to pieces and seeing a man silently getting the lethal injection.

As an opposer of the death penalty, and any other physical brutal form of punishment, is that i think the kind of ruler Hussein made deserved the rest of his life in prison. Do not let him see the sunlight anymore, do not let him see any of his dear persons anymore...no more free movement. Already a brutal punishment.

That is what the state should be there for; i mean, if someone hurts someone i care about, i might feel indeed furious enough to look for the responsible and send him to the hospital with several broken bones. The state should be there to put order.

Not trying to debate death penalty here, as it is one of the topics that causes real heated arguments, probably with both sides having sound arguments.

I just think that by torturing and killing a criminal, no matter how monstrous he can be, you pretty much become what he was.

Makes one wonder how is it death penalty is banned in UE countries, and not just that, we talk about an essential requirement for nations to become candidates to become part of the union...like Turkey where death penaly got recently banned.

But again, i seek no debate regarding the justification of death penalty in here.

Erich · 01-04-2007, 05:38 PM

earlier I gave the hint of giving him over to the Israeli's and let them take him out 150 plus miles, shoot him and bury him unmarked ............. no questions asked nor answered. Will tell you it has happened many times. No-one can call up martyrdom, no one can rise to carry on ones call, no one gets media coverage and then we do not have threads like this one.

it is said and done, carried out with secrecy and then forgotten and this is the way it should of been done along with the 2 extras that are going to get stretched in a moments time.

I have real misgivings of seeing a clown like that rotting in prison eating food and drink with guards being paid to stand watch over filth like that

Again I feel personally saddam got off lucky . . . ............

mkloby · 01-04-2007, 05:39 PM

Seems that a court that would allow Saddam to rant, rave, and tirade in the manner in which he did, making a complete mockery of his own trial, was has given the man more than a fair shake.

People the "thinkers" get way too caught up in the THEORY behind things, rather than the ACTUAL WORLD that we live in. That disconnect, seems to me, is the driving force behind "enlightened" thought.

Udet · 01-04-2007, 05:47 PM

mkloby:

So i might be a mere thinker trapped in theoretical issues. Chances are i do not live in the "actual world" rather being part of some nirvana that is unreachable to most mortals. Perhaps you could proceed ahead an enlight me with your personal experience regarding fair trials, show trials and executions of all natures.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-04-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Udet

It might be true he "deserved it". However, and since i did not follow up with the details of his case, i wonder if the man had a trial, and not a circus or show trial.

No it was a show trial. Every intelligent person in the world knows that. He however still deserved to die and the Iraqis did sentance him to it. What I mean by show is that everyone including the Iraqis themselves knew he was going to be found guilty and they put him on trial rather than just kill him.

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Originally Posted by Udet

Were the atrocities committed by Iraqi forces during the Iran/Irak war of the 1980s -when Hussein was sponsored by the U.S.A.- part of the indictment? Or what they did was a cherrypicking of atrocities to have him tried?

He commited attrocities throughout the whole time he ruled Iraq. Just the two most famous ones is what he was put on trial for.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-04-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Udet

Erich, ok.

I agree with you punishing methods in some lands of this planet can be brutal beyond description. Still, and except for the graphic nature, i do not see that much difference between seeing a man getting chopped to pieces and seeing a man silently getting the lethal injection.

As an opposer of the death penalty, and any other physical brutal form of punishment, is that i think the kind of ruler Hussein made deserved the rest of his life in prison. Do not let him see the sunlight anymore, do not let him see any of his dear persons anymore...no more free movement. Already a brutal punishment.

That is what the state should be there for; i mean, if someone hurts someone i care about, i might feel indeed furious enough to look for the responsible and send him to the hospital with several broken bones. The state should be there to put order.

Not trying to debate death penalty here, as it is one of the topics that causes real heated arguments, probably with both sides having sound arguments.

I just think that by torturing and killing a criminal, no matter how monstrous he can be, you pretty much become what he was.

Makes one wonder how is it death penalty is banned in UE countries, and not just that, we talk about an essential requirement for nations to become candidates to become part of the union...like Turkey where death penaly got recently banned.

But again, i seek no debate regarding the justification of death penalty in here.

Okay here is my question though and I am not condeming you for your ideals and morals as being against the death penelty. I am for the death penelty however.

Why do you feel that a convicted murderer who is 100 percent guilty does not deserve death.

Okay he sits in prison and cost more tax dollars and the families of his victoms live in grief for the rest of there lives.

My belief is this:

An Eye for an Eye...

A Life for a Life...

If you are willing to take others lives than you should be willing to lay yours down as well.

I just that the death penelty shoudl be harsher and that the convicted shoudl die in the same mannor as his victoms.

Soundbreaker Welch? · 01-05-2007, 03:02 AM

Interesting idea.

Well for Saddam, I was happy to see him gone, and happy that the Iraq people who loved him are so far showing good sense in not overmourning him with violence. But since violence still continues between Sunni and Shiite, so I don't know if it makes much differance.

Saddam's death hasn't reconciled them at any rate.

evangilder · 01-05-2007, 09:00 AM

Let's looks at this theoretically...

He hangs by the neck. This is a quicka nd relatively painless death as the drop is enough to snap the neck when the rope is taught. The neck snaps, the spinal cord is torn and death is almost immediate. Inhumane?

Lock him up and do not allow him to see the light of day, no visitors and no free movement. No sunlight, no movement, no contact. Yet the quick death is inhumane?

He had a trial that was fair. The laws were followed and his appeal was lost. DUE PROCESS WAS GIVEN.

Like Erich said, if it had been traditional Arab justice, it would have been immediate and far more brutal. I think he got way more than he deserved. The victims of his brutality never got a fair shake. He was an evil little tyrant. Keeping him alive and in a cell is also a risk that he could escape. or be "rescued" by his cronies later.