HUSSEIN EXECUTED

Soundbreaker Welch? · 01-05-2007, 10:01 AM

I think he got way more than he deserved.

The bloodthirstiness in me thought the execution was too quick. But seeing his glassy eyes was somewhat unsettling..........

Pisis · 01-05-2007, 11:36 AM

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The oldest Babylonian law...

FLYBOYJ · 01-05-2007, 12:43 PM

Gentlemen, bottom line he's dead. Now he could party in hell with Stalin, Hitler, Che Guerra, Mao, Pol Pot, Milosevic and a few others as they all prepare a place for "Fidel" who will be joining them real soon!

Matt308 · 01-05-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Soundbreaker Welch?

I think he got way more than he deserved.

The bloodthirstiness in me thought the execution was too quick. But seeing his glassy eyes was somewhat unsettling..........

Death in any form is unsettling. And if you say anything other, than you have lost that bit of humanity that makes you a contributor toward mankind's positive future. However, death is a reality of life and is sometimes necessary to prevent folks like you and me from suffering further loss.

[...stepping down from soapbox]

Erich · 01-05-2007, 01:49 PM

well true words matt but something to understand, when you get on the lines and someone is trying to rip your guts out with a big stick knife or when you are overwhelmed by superior firepower and giving it all ya got, sympathies for a killer are nye to nil, it ain't going to happen. Revenge is a strong element in ones mind and although of sinful character it remains such in our brief lives. you live with it, and can say in most probability the forum vets would all agree with my views. part of self-preservation and by terminating one of the most ruthless dictators on the present earth then so be it ...... we may never know what this is going to do for the war efforts in the mid-east, maybe it will make the bad-boyz think twice maybe it will incite them like many others think, in due course we have gained enough knowledge that no-one can be trusted ....

arm yourselves Warriors

mkloby · 01-05-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Udet

mkloby:

So i might be a mere thinker trapped in theoretical issues. Chances are i do not live in the "actual world" rather being part of some nirvana that is unreachable to most mortals. Perhaps you could proceed ahead an enlight me with your personal experience regarding fair trials, show trials and executions of all natures.

Woah, sheath the sword

I didn't mean that the way it came off and you obviously took it, so sorry about that. What I meant was that he seems to be given a fair trial by IRAQI law, any other standard is not only theoretical, it's irrelevant. Obviously he was guilty. There's absolutely no denying the fact he was. If you do deny that, you probably also believe that the holocaust never happened and the moon landings were filmed somewhere in hollywood.

By disconnect, there's no sense accusing his atrocities being "cherry picked" from a certain era. Does that make a horrible act any less terrible because it was from an era where he had US political support, and another era where he did not? No it doesn't - it's silly theory in my mind, isolated from the real world.

Matt308 · 01-05-2007, 03:55 PM

Wolves exist. You can either be a sheep. Or a sheepdog.

Udet · 01-05-2007, 04:25 PM

Adler:

Well, if some killer was inhuman and/or insane enough to take the life of a human being, i do not want to become inhuman and/or insane enough to have him killed. He shall be punished, but in the way i think fits with my view of the world. That simple. (Of course i am not referring to exceptions such as war, since you know what is the purpose of you going into one, but i am not soldier nor have in mind becoming one).

Not my intention to approach the matter from a philosophical viewpoint; it is just as simple as i put it.

You have the right to believe what you do; i do not suggest the many of you who support killing a criminal and that also feel utmost joy when knowing of one that got executed are wrong. Not at all.

Revenge comes all natural when you talk about human beings.

I use to follow some words: "live the way you think, otherwise you´ll end thinking the way you live".

I recall the few times i had to fight, always when being under direct attack and not just when provoked....i can tell you that except for one time when i got my ass 100% kicked, all other times the guys ended lying on the floor all beaten up...one of those times i knocked 3 thugs down in Moscow during victory parade day a few years ago, as they were bullying people "ordering" to salute the heroes on parade. Once they noticed i was not "following a direct order", they resorted to physical means and i responded. All three ended with smashed noses and lips torn apart.

In all those times, a few hours later, when the adrenaline had settled down, i felt bad. I felt that instead of fighting back i should have either ignored them -or even follow their silly game- or simply fled from the spot.

This little example to show you that wishing death is not part of mindset.

mkloby · 01-05-2007, 07:45 PM

Udet:
Although I'm extremely conservative in most of my beliefs, capital punishment is an area that I completely disagree with the majority of mainstream conservatives. I believe only God has the right to take human life, obvious exceptions in defense of life and just war. I never felt badly after throwing down, but I would definitely not want to be involved in a case of cap punishment. I even find it disturbing how they keep playing videos of the execution, but all I have to do is change the channel to resolve that.

Matt308 · 01-05-2007, 08:28 PM

Either of you have children? Children of less than 5-8 years of age?

Supposition: A goblin takes your child from the local school yard. Puts (him) into the goblins car and takes (him) someplace safe for goblins. The goblin proceeds to do things to your precious, innocent young child that (his) mind cannot comprehend nor understand.

No capital punishment my Forum friends? Wait till you hold that precious, innocent bundle of love in your arms.

Your wife would kill him. In a heartbeat.

mkloby · 01-05-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

Either of you have children? Children of less than 5-8 years of age?

Supposition: A goblin takes your child from the local school yard. Puts (him) into the goblins car and takes (him) someplace safe for goblins. The goblin proceeds to do things to your precious, innocent young child that (his) mind cannot comprehend nor understand.

No capital punishment my Forum friends? Wait till you hold that precious, innocent bundle of love in your arms.

Your wife would kill him. In a heartbeat.

Well, you know I have one on the way - due date is in a week from tomorrow, so it looks like the rascal is dragging this out until the very end! I definitely understand what you mean, and I fear I will be the insane overprotective father that will drop .45s if someone so much looks at my kid the wrong way...

I'd LIKE to think that I would still be in favor of bread & water with hard labor and 1 hour of exercise a day for life... but obviously I can't say for sure... and God forbid I ever have to know that feeling.

Matt308 · 01-05-2007, 09:40 PM

You won't, Matt. I assure you.

Erich · 01-05-2007, 11:06 PM

you got that right ............

like I have said several times, God has used and will keep using those for his purpose whether we think HE is right or not .......

Emac44 · 01-06-2007, 04:04 PM

ok some interesting comments. and i did take the time to read through all of them. to my way of thinking its not up to us whether we agree or disagree with saddams execution or not. but we have to abide by the decission of the court in iraq and the people's decission via their government. whether we agree or disagree with the death penalty or not. saddam is dead and that changes nothing and we can agrue and use cleaver statements to counter claims and discuss but at end of the day he is dead. was his trial a show trial i would say it was a some what circus idea but we must remember that some people were killed during that trial of saddam's and their murderers have not been bought to justice for murder. i watched the video's of saddam being hanged even though it was some what chilling to see him drop through the trap door to his death i suppose some closure came to some families some where in iraq and elsewhere. to me personally i took no emotional attachment to it and thought little of it to the extend i found it disturbing as other have said. is it up to me to judge saddam, no its not up to me. a court representing the people of iraq did that and they found him guilty and the sentance of death was carried out. will it come around and bite us in the arse. most possibley. especially the video footage via mobile telephone now being splashed on the internet worldwide and already protests are occuring in not only sunni iraq but also in palistine and gaza. will saddam be a martyr. most possibley for some. has revenge been carried out most definitely yes by the shites and kurds. will peace come about due to saddam being hanged. most definitely not. has an evil man been dispatched in death to face a spiritual trial before god. yes he has. and God's trial of saddam well lets say his spiritual ordeal for saddam is just beginning. what that spiritual trial will be for saddam only God knows what occurs there. personaly i think it would be definitely everlasting in hell until the end of time itself. if you ask me personally if i am glad saddam is dead, i would have to say yes i am glad he is dead. regardless of previous governments supporting saddam during the 1980s. but regardless of what i think the loss of innocent iraqis who suffered and died under his regime saddam's death by hanging doesn't pay the price for any one of those who died under his regime. i think the relatives of the victims may find some justice in saddam's death and some closure to what occured to them and their families. but what i am thinking is we are trying to bring and ideal of democracy to iraq right or wrong. we now have to stand back and let the iraqi people decide their own future with or without saddam. they chose without saddam via their courts which is part of the governmental process of democracy. and we have not the right to say to them now that was brutal in hanging saddam or not. they the iraqi people chose for him to die and we have to now say to them we understand and now to carry onto whatever future you have. others might not agree to what i am saying but that is your own opinion which i say is valid in your own eyes as mine is valid in mine eyes

mkloby · 01-06-2007, 05:32 PM

Emac - we can always count on you for the amazingly long post