I voted

syscom3 · 11-07-2006, 07:07 PM

Turn out was heavy at my polling place. This was around 3:00PM with a 15 to 20 minute wait to vote.

We were using electronic machines WITH paper copy.

Our polling location was a church. I was expecting an ACLU atty. to block us from voting because of the obvious violation of the seperation of church from state clause in the constitution. It was a govt attempt to indirectly imply that Lutherans were favored by the state. (snicker, snicker)

How about your observations?

DonnieK · 11-07-2006, 07:47 PM

I voted today as well. The wife and I took our 2 year old along for the experience. Like Syscom3, our polling place is in a church, and I was suprised to see that there was not a single electronic voting machine in the house. That's fine with me though, I like the old paper ballots, and unlike the folks in some states, we never have had any big problems with our system. So tonight I will probably stay up all night watching results, and praying for an outcome I can live with.

Erich · 11-07-2006, 08:43 PM

geez you guys still have to go to booths ................ what a bunch of crap, for over 5-6 years and probably longer we Oregonians have done it by mail, in private and then it is out of here and then people can get on with their lives .........

Politics suck !

FLYBOYJ · 11-07-2006, 09:06 PM

Mail in voting, it's the way to go - I voted 2 weeks ago...

k9kiwi · 11-07-2006, 09:15 PM

Jeepers.

4 people voted...

It is either a conspiracy or a statistic.

mkloby · 11-07-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

Turn out was heavy at my polling place. This was around 3:00PM with a 15 to 20 minute wait to vote.

We were using electronic machines WITH paper copy.

Our polling location was a church. I was expecting an ACLU atty. to block us from voting because of the obvious violation of the seperation of church from state clause in the constitution. It was a govt attempt to indirectly imply that Lutherans were favored by the state. (snicker, snicker)

How about your observations?

syscom - please tell me where in the US Constitution I can find this separation of Church and state claus? If you even bother looking it up - you won't find it - as it does not exist.

Other than that - Flyboy you're right mail in absentee is the way to go!

syscom3 · 11-08-2006, 12:22 AM

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syscom - please tell me where in the US Constitution I can find this separation of Church and state claus? If you even bother looking it up - you won't find it - as it does not exist.

Article VI specifically prohibits a religious test as a qualification for holding public office

The first two clause's of the first admendment specifically forbids the govt from recognizing any religion or interfering in the practice of of a religion.

That has been established precedent for over 200 years, and has universally been interpreted as meaning religion stays out of the govt, and govt stays out of religion. In fact it was around 1879 that the full meaning of that concept was in place and it has been that way pretty much since. If it was good enough for the extremely conservative courts of that era, its good enough for us now.

Of course YOU have never heard of that, thus YOU go and reread the meaning of the various admendments and clauses and then we can have a meaningfull conversation about that in another thread.

And if you think I am one of those nut cases that doesnt think we should have christmas decorations at city hall, youre wrong.

k9kiwi · 11-08-2006, 12:44 AM

Just when I thought a healthy constitution was being over 40 and having firm stools.

I live and learn.

mkloby · 11-08-2006, 09:19 AM

Syscom - while you are correct about Art VI, 1st Amend says nothing of the sort. All it says is congress shall not establish a religion (anti-estiablishment clause) or prohibit free exercise of religion. In fact - look up the history of judicial review. It's not a power that is in the constitution - so the courts are exercising a right that was never granted to them in the constitution.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This says absolutely nothing about voting in a Church, or better yet, that the gov't cannot provide funding to say a Catholic school. Prayer in school - says nothing about.

It's about interpretation - judges interpret the law to fit their own personal beliefs and biases. If you go by the explicit wording of the 1st Amendment - it says nothing about separation of Church and state.

Please don't accuse me of never having read the constitution or anything else. As you already know - I have a degree in poly sci (not that it matters to me, but it's important to you to have a degree to be able to argue a point) plus I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Trust me, I have read the document.

Don't turn this into another "I'll mock all those who disagree with me" as you already have started with how you ended your post.

Erich · 11-08-2006, 09:23 AM

getting back to the vote, I wonder how long (weeks) ? it will be before we hear clear verdicts on who has won ? I feel in Oregon that things have been rigged again. Our former govenor has done absolutely nothing in regard in hearing our voice(s) in the southern sphere and it appears the idiot has won again. wonder who paid off the popper(s)

E ~ politics suck !

mkloby · 11-08-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Erich

getting back to the vote, I wonder how long (weeks) ? it will be before we hear clear verdicts on who has won ? I feel in Oregon that things have been rigged again. Our former govenor has done absolutely nothing in regard in hearing our voice(s) in the southern sphere and it appears the idiot has won again. wonder who paid off the popper(s)

E ~ politics suck !

Rigged again? Do you mean that seriously?

uhhuh35 · 11-08-2006, 09:34 AM

Good morning everybody!
I voted yesterday also, but my party didn't do too well. But that was yesterday, I'll move on.
I voted at a church also, I thought that was great. Some countries have NO vote and NO freedom of religion.

And, my two cents on this subject:
"...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."

To me that means GOVERNMENT will not establish a religion and FORCE you to worship there. Nor can they PROHIBIT you from practicing yours. Remember what the Romans did?

Erich · 11-08-2006, 09:36 AM

mkloby :

YES ! it has happened before in the land of the Platonic Sphere, the present govenour of our great state is a complete and honest to goodness A**wipe

mkloby · 11-08-2006, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by uhhuh35

Good morning everybody!
I voted yesterday also, but my party didn't do too well. But that was yesterday, I'll move on.
I voted at a church also, I thought that was great. Some countries have NO vote and NO freedom of religion.

And, my two cents on this subject:
"...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."

To me that means GOVERNMENT will not establish a religion and FORCE you to worship there. Nor can they PROHIBIT you from practicing yours. Remember what the Romans did?

The republicans lost some key races... unfortunate. Hope the dems don't hurt the military fiscally... The US military is as strong and battle hardened as they have been in decades...

You're right - what the Constitution says is what it says. It explicitly forbids establishment of a religion and prohibition of free exercise. Those are exact items in the Constitution - and you can't argue with that. Notice it does not mention separation of church and state - which is a vague and ambiguous term - and honestly means nothing as such.

Erich · 11-08-2006, 09:52 AM

side note and it must be truthfully taken into consideration unless their votes are tossed out, but what about our military personell ?