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Old 08-26-2007, 02:27 PM   #1
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Immigration Reality Check

Here in the Great State of New Jersey, no one can get it right!

Police ordered to report illegal immigrant arrests to feds - CNN.com

Police ordered to report illegal immigrant arrests to feds
TRENTON, New Jersey (AP) -- New Jersey law enforcement was ordered Wednesday to notify federal immigration officials whenever someone arrested for an indictable offense or drunken driving is determined to be an illegal immigrant.

That mandate, issued by the state attorney general on Wednesday, follows a review prompted by the brutal slayings of three Newark college students. One of the six suspects in the crime was an illegal immigrant who had been granted bail on child rape and aggravated assault charges without immigration officials being alerted to his existence.

Attorney General Anne Milgram reviewed the state's policy in light of the execution-style killings August 4. A fourth young person was wounded.

U.S. immigration officials have said they would have moved toward getting Jose Carranza, 28, deported had they known about him. The killings highlighted the need "to have a uniform state policy on notification to immigration," Milgram said. Before the directive, "all police departments in our state had complete discretion as to if, when and how to notify immigration authorities." The policy applies to all state and local law enforcement and to prosecutors. It also specifies that police notify prosecutors and courts when illegal immigrants are arrested. The directive, however, prohibits officers from checking the immigration status of crime victims or witnesses.

Milgram treaded lightly on a federal law allowing local police to be deputized as immigration agents. She said that the practice will be allowed in New Jersey, but that deputized agents can perform immigration status checks.

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8/25/2007, 10:58 a.m. EDT
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MORRISTOWN, N.J. (AP) — State and federal officials have told the Morristown mayor that police should not be checking the immigration status of people pulled over for traffic stops or minor crimes.

Plans by Mayor Donald Cresitello, outlined in a letter to U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie on Aug. 16, called for police to make immigration checks during routine traffic stops and low-level crimes. David Wald, a spokesman for Attorney General Anne Milgram, told The Star-Ledger of Newark for Saturday's editions that the checks are "something our office thinks should not happen." In a letter Friday, Christie also told Cresitello that his plans "directly contradicted" plans by Milgram to check the immigration status of people charged with serious crimes or drunken driving.

Milgram proposed those guidelines in the wake of the Newark schoolyard shootings in which three college students were killed; an illegal immigrant who was out on bail at the time the shootings occurred has been charged in the murders.

"She's handcuffed law enforcement in the state of New Jersey," Cresitello told the newspaper. The Morristown mayor, who's been at the forefront of the campaign against illegal immigration in New Jersey, has applied for a federal program that trains and deputizes local officers as immigration agents.

The local officers are then allowed to make inquiries about immigration status and move to deport suspects. According to Cresitello that would make local officers immune from Attorney General oversight since they would answer to the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

But Wald disputed that, saying the federal program doesn't "put a wall between New Jersey law enforcement and the Morristown police department."

Cresitello's proposed checks have drawn criticism. "The mayor wants to purge immigrants from his town," Maria Juega, of the Latin American Legal Defense and Education Fund said.

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Police: Tried illegals policy
Sunday, August 26, 2007
By Trish G. Graber and Jonathan Vit gcnews@sjnewsco.com
TRENTON Days after the state began to require law enforcement to contact the feds when arresting illegal immigrants for a major crime, law enforcement had a message for Trenton:

Been there, done that.

"We go through all the motions ... and (immigration officials) say, What do you want us to do? There are only so many of us in the state,' " said Woodbury Heights Police Chief Leo Selb.

Attorney General Anne Milgram issued the directive for all local, county and state police in the aftermath of the triple-murder of college students on summer break in Newark. A key suspect is an illegal immigrant with prior charges.

Milgram said the tragedy underscored the need for a uniform policy. But local police departments already engaged in reporting practices are wondering what will change.

Franklin Township Police Chief Michael DiGiorgio required his officers to call U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) after six suspects three in the country illegally were arrested for a foiled terror plot at Fort Dix. Several police departments, including Washington Township, experienced public scrutiny for having prior contact with the suspects and failing to report them.

"Law enforcement has handled it themselves because they haven't had the support of ICE," DiGiorgio said. "For years we have called immigration, and immigration has always been understaffed."

In a May interview, top ICE officials in New Jersey said the department must prioritize their cases because of scant resources.

"I guess the rap on ICE, (is) that we don't handle the single issue. You know ... Jose the dishwasher who shows up in a police station," said Thomas Manifase, deputy special agent in charge at Newark's ICE office. "Based on our resources ... we are focusing our manpower on larger criminal groups."

At the time, Manifase said the department had 300 federal officials, 42 of whom police south of Trenton, targeting aliens involved in organized crime drug smuggling and gangs.Following the state mandate last week, ICE spokesman for the Northeastern region, Michael Gilhooly, said the state has adequate federal resources. He declined to elaborate.

"We have received some more resources, but again we don't talk about the numbers," he said.

State officials said that even if ICE fails to respond to the influx of calls for indictable crimes such as murder, rape, aggravated assault, robbery or theft or driving while intoxicated, the directive could still have an impact.

"If they choose not to do their job with a uniform body of evidence ... they're going to have to answer to the public," said Assemblyman John Burzichelli, D-3 of Paulsboro, vice chair of the Assembly Homeland Security and State Preparedness Committee.

Burzichelli had questioned former Attorney General Stuart Rabner on a state policy following tragic crimes committed by illegal immigrants in South Jersey.

In 2003, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who was living in Bridgeton, Juan Luis Bautista, slammed into the vehicle of 21-year-old Christina Applegate in Franklin Township, leaving the woman in a coma. Bautista had a blood alcohol level of .117. After posting bail, he skipped town and remains at large.

Last year, a group of illegal immigrants was arrested and charged with the gang rape of a 13-year-old girl from Millville, Cumberland County.

Then in April, Randy Lopez-Rivas, 18, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala, was arrested and charged with murdering his girlfriend's 3-month-old daughter in Vineland and stuffing her behind a basement dryer. He had previous burglary and theft charges; however, federal officials were not alerted until after the murder.

Now, with action from the state and uniform reporting, Burzichelli said, state officials could make a case if the feds refuse to act.

"The steps that the attorney general has agreed to take in this uniform policy remove any ambiguous excuses," Burzichelli said.

Milgram encouraged counties to obtain federal computer software for correctional facilities, which would enable them to lodge detainers against those incarcerated in order to begin deportation proceedings at the completion of their criminal cases. That would take a partnership with federal authorities.

But immigration advocates believe such measures would not address the larger problem of crime.

"We believe that deportation is not an answer," said Amy Gottlieb, director of the Newark-based immigration rights program for the American Friends Service Committee.

On both sides of the issue, advocates and critics have said only time will tell if the directive makes an impact.

In Woodbury Heights, Chief Selb seemed skeptical, calling the mandate a "knee jerk reaction." He noted that practical limitations, such as limited jail space and an extensive deportation process, could prevent a successful outcome of the policy.

"There was tragedy in Newark, and everyone put their arms together and said This is what we are going to do,' " he said. "Well, no one thought how it was going to turn out down the line."

My own two thoughts are nobody still gets it ...its ILLEGAL!! I don't care where you come from, be LEGAL. I'd like to ask Amy Gottlieb, director of the Newark-based immigration rights program for the American Friends Service Committee what her answer is. I know she doesn't have one.
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It seems common sense that if an individual is arrested, their status in the country would be verified. It's mind boggling how one argues it's a violation of their civil rights to determine the legality of their status.
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Why should the check of legal status of anyone brought to jail be an issue?

Only in "bushworld" must we be debating such things.

On the other hand, illegal immigrants who are apprehended and then released because of the "ICE" excuses, should be sent to sanctuary cities and told to stay there.
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Old 08-26-2007, 03:18 PM   #4
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Why should it be an issue to check a person's status upon apprehension? I have not heard a single good explanation for such a policy. Make it near impossible for a gov't to know who is within her borders. That, after all, is what opponents such policies want.

It's not going as far as states that have stops such as DUI stops to check for intoxication. That is completely without any probable cause to suspect a driver is intoxicated.

So - in the apprehension of an individual for the suspected commission of a CRIME, why should it out of the realm of possibility to check their legal status in a country.

And sent to sanctuary cities and told to "stay there?" Seriously? The individual is in the country illegally, so why would they abide by the law telling them to "stay put?" That is ridiculous in itself. Also - how bout deport them? If they're caught again, bread and water rations for life.

I'm not serious actually about that, but the point is they have nothing to lose from breaking US law and entering the US unlawfully.

How about a realistic interpretation of the 14th Ammendment to rid the notion of an "anchor baby." IF that's not good enough for you, how about push for another ammendment to resolve that possibility altogether.
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There should be no such thing as "Sanctuary Cities". And if such cities want to "protect" illegals who commit crimes, then Federal funds to aid those cities should be cut off.

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I just don't understand the argument. You must be here legally. Period. If we're going to have laws and not enforce them why do we give politicians these jobs? Why do we have police? Why call it a country at all? Its just World Open Space.
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I just don't understand the argument. You must be here legally. Period. If we're going to have laws and not enforce them why do we give politicians these jobs? Why do we have police? Why call it a country at all? Its just World Open Space.
You and me both, buddy. Those that want America to have free, open borders don't seem to be satisfied with the current state of America, and are pushing for radical change. A major shift in demographics is a method they see to be able to provide a catalyst for this change.
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You and me both, buddy. Those that want America to have free, open borders don't seem to be satisfied with the current state of America, and are pushing for radical change. A major shift in demographics is a method they see to be able to provide a catalyst for this change.
Bingo!!! And that certainly would be a change for the worse
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This from the (Norfolk) Virginian Pilot

Illegal immigrants face denial of services
By SARAH KARUSH, Associated Press
August 26, 2007
MANASSAS

Ines Olivia Martinez wonders if her family will be denied medical care. Even her mentally disabled 13-year-old son has been anxiously pointing out police cars amid fears of a local crackdown on illegal immigrants.
Resolutions to deny a potentially wide range of public services to illegal immigrants have thrust two Northern Virginia counties into the nation's immigration debate. The measures, passed in July in Prince William and Loudoun counties, join a flurry of recent efforts by local governments nationwide that think the federal government has not done enough to stop illegal immigration.

But while other jurisdictions have focused largely on landlords and employers who knowingly rent to and hire illegal immigrants, the Virginia resolutions take a more direct approach. The National Association of Counties says the two counties are the first it knows of to pass measures aimed at denying services.
They probably will not be the last. Officials in several other Virginia counties have said they plan to follow suit.

The Northern Virginia measures could face legal challenges. The Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, which advocates on behalf of Latinos and other minority groups, has threatened to sue Prince William County. Other groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, say they fear service restrictions will result in discrimination, but are waiting to see how the crackdown will be implemented before taking legal action.

Critics say the resolutions are a racist reaction to demographic changes in Prince William and Loudoun, two of the fastest-growing counties in the Washington, D.C. area. Together, the counties account for 8 percent of Virginia's population, with more than 600,000 residents.

According to census estimates released this month, Prince William's Hispanic population has more than doubled since 2000 - to nearly 70,000 last year. Non-Hispanic whites account for a little more than half of the population, down from about two-thirds in 2000. In Loudoun, the share of minorities increased from 20 percent to 32 percent.

Proponents blame illegal immigrants for changing the character of the region, accusing them of packing too many people into single-family homes and failing to learn English.

For Martinez, who has lived in Manassas in Prince William County for two years, the resentment against illegal immigrants came as a surprise.
"It broke my heart," the 41-year-old Mexico City native said of the measure. "We were all thinking there would be an amnesty" declared by the federal government.

Although Manassas has a separate government from Prince William County, many immigrants like Martinez do not understand the distinction. But t hose who do understand say they are concerned because work, friends and errands take them into Prince William County and because they fear the city could follow the county's lead.

In Loudoun and Prince William, officials still are studying which public services legally can be withheld and how to implement such restrictions.
The resolutions say emergency medical care will not be denied, and federal restrictions already control many other services. For instance, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that children can't be kept out of school on the basis of immigration status, while food stamps are off-limits to illegal immigrants.

The status of other services, such as health care for the uninsured, libraries and parks, are less clear-cut.

Critics say limiting access to facilities would make the counties feel like police states for anyone who sets foot there.
Prince William County p olice Chief Charlie T. Deane has said the crackdown could backfire. The resolution includes a provision instructing officers to investigate the immigration status of anyone they detain if there is probable cause to believe the person is in the country illegally.

Hispanic activists are planning a weeklong boycott of all non-immigrant, non-Hispanic businesses in Prince William County starting Monday and a one-day general labor strike in October. "We came to better ourselves as human beings because we also want a better life for our children," said Rocio Martinez-Lopez, 35, Martinez's sister.


What part of "illegal" don't these people understand ???

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What part of "illegal" don't these people understand ???

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Hispanic activists are planning a weeklong boycott of all non-immigrant, non-Hispanic businesses in Prince William County starting Monday and a one-day general labor strike in October. "We came to better ourselves as human beings because we also want a better life for our children," said Rocio Martinez-Lopez, 35, Martinez's sister.
Why don't these activists and nutjobs concentrate their efforts on their country of origin instead of demanding these rights from the US? Make your own country better and maybe you would'nt have had to leave!!!
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Immigration crackdown sought by state Republicans
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August 30, 2007
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"Virginia Republicans announced immigration legislation Wednesday that would prohibit public colleges and universities from accepting illegal immigrants, even if they attended a public high school and were brought to the United States at an early age by their parents.

Republican leaders, who control both houses of the legislature, suggested some Virginia residents are being denied access to college because too many illegal immigrants were Taking available slots.

"If a legal Virginia resident is applying to schools, should they be admitted or should that slot be set aside for someone who has arrived here illegally?" said James K. "Jay" O'Brien Jr., R-Fairfax, the sponsor of the proposal.

The Republican proposal also would require city and county jails to check a defendant's immigration status and to have at least one person on duty who has been certified by the federal government to detain illegal immigrants until deportation proceedings can begin. It also would routinely deny bail for illegal immigrants charged in a crime and suspend the business license of anyone convicted of hiring illegal immigrants.

All 140 seats in the state legislature are on the ballot this fall. Illegal immigration has been a key issue statewide but particularly in Northern Virginia, where Republicans have been losing ground in recent elections.
Claire Guthrie Gastanaga, a lobbyist for immigrant organizations, said the GOP "is taking advantage of a public misconception about the facts" and "exploiting fear and ignorance."

"It's poll-driven. It's cynical and it's just silly," Gastanaga said.
The college admissions proposal, which comes as party leaders are trying to shift public attention away from the controversial abusive driving fees, is part of a five-point plan presented by Republicans in the General Assembly, including House Speaker William Howell, R-Stafford, and Senate Majority Leader Walter Stosch, R-Henrico.

"Allowing illegal aliens to circumvent the rule of law not only undermines the integrity and well-being of our society and stretches thin limited taxpayer resources at all levels of government, but is an injustice to those immigrants who followed the lawful path in coming to Virginia and the United States," Howell said.

The proposals are more restrained than past statewide efforts to deal with illegal immigration.

Last year, the House of Delegates approved a bill that would cut off state funding for any charity found to be assisting immigrants in the country illegally. Some Republican delegates this year are pushing separate proposals to cut off state funding to local governments that provide services to illegal immigrants. Local governments in Prince William, Loudoun and Culpeper also are taking steps to curb illegal immigration.

In past legislative sessions, the House of Delegates and more moderate Senate have failed to reach an agreement on proposals to deny in-state tuition rates to illegal immigrants.

Howell and Stosch say they are now ready to go much farther.
Under the Republican proposal, a public college such as Virginia Tech or George Mason University would have to prove an applicant is a legal resident or has a valid student visa.

Northern Virginia Community College allows the admission of illegal immigrants, but they must pay out-of-state tuition.

Most four-year colleges prohibit illegal immigrants, advocates said. "We don't enroll illegal aliens," said Jeff Hanna, a spokesman for the University of Virginia. "A student who applies and is accepted must produce documentation." In 2004, a federal judge in Alexandria upheld the right of U.Va. and six other Virginia colleges and universities to deny admission to illegal immigrants. The suit was brought by illegal immigrants upset they were being denied entry.

O'Brien couldn't present any evidence Thursday that illegal immigrants are gaining access to Virginia's colleges.

GOP leaders did, however, present statistics that showed that 36 percent of applicants to four-year public colleges in Virginia were rejected last year. They couldn't say how many of those were because the applicants weren't qualified.

Democratic Gov. Timothy Kaine said he is eager to work with the Republicans to curtail illegal immigration, but said he is awaiting the findings of a state commission studying the issue before he endorses a specific proposal. The commission is expected to complete its work in October."

Looks like Virginia is taking a big step toward maiking illegal aliens
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Why don't these activists and nutjobs concentrate their efforts on their country of origin instead of demanding these rights from the US? Make your own country better and maybe you would'nt have had to leave!!!
i dont think there is a better way to say it.....
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Well Aussie you do know that is exactly what some in the ALP want in our next federal election. They want an open borders to allow illegal immigration. To appease those already detained in detention centres. You know the Tampa Incident and Children Over Board. What part of Illegal Immigration can't these bloody nutjobs understand
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the minimum wage in mexico is six dollars a DAY , guys bustin their humps on constuction jobs get about 15 bucks a day .. ive spent lots of time fishing and goofing off in baja sur and the cost of chicken ,beer ,tomatoes , gasoline and bread is about the same as it is here .. (if you have to shop in a mom and pop market in america, expensive ) ..most hard work and construction here in the western us is done my mexicans ,they bust there ass for 8 or 10 bucks an hour and never miss a days work ,try getting americans to work hard and show up everyday ..most mexicans send a large portion of their paycheck to mama and lil ninos back home , i see them at the post office all the time ..im not for open borders but ill tell you if all the mexicans went home tomorrow the entire western usa would come to a screeching halt...if i was a mexican i think i know where i would go and so prolly would you ...
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