Iran's Atomic Program

Pisis · 08-16-2005, 12:53 PM

The "European Trio" (GB, Germany and France), which is running more or less an unsuccesful negotiating about Iran's Atomic Program, this weekend offered to Teheran security guarances, economical collaboration and fully connection to international trade, if Iran would quit its atomic developement, enrich people's rights and quits support to terrorism. The Iran clerics declined the proposal and on the top of it, the new president Ahmadzheenedzhaad (who is believed to be a former member of the Revolution Guards that occuppied the US embassy in 1979 and who is trully a fanatic mopther****er...) stated that "...Iran is still planning the use of atomic energy for peace possibilities and wouldn't let foreign influences into the country..."

I ask - why the hell? Iran has one of the World's largest suppliements of Oil and Earth Gas, so why it needs to build Atomic plants on secret army areas and why they were hiding it for 20 years in face of IAEA. Beyond this, the Intelligence news are saying that Iran disposes of Long Range Rockets and fully aim the production of Atomic Heads...

It is more a trick question from me...

FLYBOYJ · 08-16-2005, 12:57 PM

I think Iran is responsible for much of the terrorism the world is encountering today.....

evangilder · 08-16-2005, 01:13 PM

I agree, and the new president is going to increase that, I feel.

Pisis · 08-16-2005, 02:27 PM

Unfortunately I have to agree with both of you................

Erich · 08-16-2005, 02:30 PM

funny the losers in Iran still didn;t learn from the last time that Israel smucked them. you know it could happen again and I am all for the Israeli air force to show her colours and plasticize Iran or at least get it ready for a Velodrome

Parmigiano · 08-16-2005, 02:34 PM

Another difficult mess to sort...

Well, to clear the table let me disclaim that I am NOT pro-Islam or pro-Iran. (personally, the guy who caused me the most damage in the last 10 years is a Muslim Iranian, and I would be happy to kick his lower quarters at the first chance!)

Nevertheless, if I was Iran I would be concerned by the political situation: US Army at west (Iraq) and east (Afghanistan), Pakistan at east who has the A-bomb, Turkey at NW that wants to go West , the only Country in Middle East who has A-bomb (or at least is suspected by Federation of American scientists to have 300-400 n. weapons) is Israel...
I can understand that they want to have an A-bomb, honestly in this situation I would like it too.

On the other side, it is really risky that this fanatics may have a bomb available, although I believe they will never be that stupid to use it.

Anyway, I am not sure that they are pushing their declarations in order to bargain more from EU, if I should bet I would say they will go ahead with their plans.
Even if they know that US intelligence knows perfectly what they have in terms of missiles and where.

evangilder · 08-16-2005, 02:40 PM

Under the previous leadership, I am not sure about them not using nukes. With this one, I think they would if they wanted to. The new president was one of the hostage takers and is no friend to the US. He is a dangerous man who will very soon possess dangerous weapons.

I really don't think it matters politically who strikes Iran, US or Israel because ultimately, the US will get the blame because the arab nations are sure that we have complicity.

Pisis · 08-16-2005, 03:02 PM

Ayatollah Ali Khamanei is the biggest bastard! along with this Ahmadzheenedzhaad. They're all fanatic freaks and all want to destroy Israel. That's why they're building the Atomic Bomb...........

evangilder · 08-16-2005, 03:19 PM

that and the power they will wield over the straits of Hormuz. All oil shipments pass through the strait.

Gnomey · 08-16-2005, 03:55 PM

I agree the new leadership in Iran is definitely a lot more fanatical than the previous one. They are trying to using the nuclear power for civilian use as cover for the start/continuation of a A-bomb project though it isn't foolling anyone. I understand their situation and I believe if pushed they would use the A-bomb if they had one. If Israel/US were to invade Iran surely they would have another Iraq on their hands? It would be nice if this would be solved peacefully but somehow I think this is going to boil over into war unless Iran stops its nuclear program, denouces Terrorism and removes support for terrorist groups. None of which I see the 'new' more radical Iran doing. I foresee this getting nasty in the not so distant future :S

Parmigiano · 08-16-2005, 04:25 PM

I agree it's plain that the 'civilian use' is just a weak cover to develop a bomb.
However I see more a will of political challenge than a seriuos military threat.

This guys are fanatic sobs, but they are not stupid or demented and they know that they can't possibly use what they build.
- Whatever they are going to develop will be too limited in technology and quantity to grant them an edge on their 'enemies' (that should be primarily Israel and the US)
- They know that if they use a nuclear weapon the retorsion will be immediate and unsustainable for them
- Also, if they strike first no Islamic solidariety will be justified
- If they ever have already a vector to deliver a bomb, the sites are most likely already monitored and targeted by US.

To me it looks more like : we do it, Israel can't attack us because of the rebound effects in all Middle East Area, let's see if the US dare to start another war and push the risk of a global confrontation with all Islamic countries or will step back.
If US attacks, Iran can claim 'invasion of a sovereign Islamic Nation' and influence the politics of the moderate Countries, if US does not attack they gain prestige and power among the Islamic Countries.

lesofprimus · 08-16-2005, 04:36 PM

I think that the real issue is not whether or not the Iranian Govt will use them, but who the Iranian Govt SELLS them to...

We need to send some B-2's and F-117's and drop a few LGB's on a few locations in Iran...

Problem solved.... Does Georgie Bush got the balls???

evangilder · 08-16-2005, 04:39 PM

Good point, Les. Who they sell them to is a big question.

Pisis · 08-16-2005, 04:53 PM

They don't have to sell them to anyone cuz they themsleves are the biggest danger... In comparation with Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq was only a pre-game..... Iran is the imminent greatatest danger for World peace...........

FLYBOYJ · 08-16-2005, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

I think that the real issue is not whether or not the Iranian Govt will use them, but who the Iranian Govt SELLS them to...

We need to send some B-2's and F-117's and drop a few LGB's on a few locations in Iran...

Problem solved.... Does Georgie Bush got the balls???

Right on Les - We have Iran surrounded on 2 fronts right now. A nice quick and precise air campaign would be a good thing......