Iranian President Calls WW2 Holocaust A Myth

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

Why do they call USA "the great satan" that is my point.

That was a term derived from Ayatollah Khomeini because of US support for the Shaw of Iran. He did not approve of what he saw as western promiscuous behavior that was polluting Iran and that was the basis for the Islamic revolution which has now spread not only against American culture, but all western cultures, including Canada!

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

This had nothing to do about being biased or flag waving - you stated the US and UK gave land away, implying that the US was involved in the 1947 Palestine Civil War - totally untrue and I proved it to you, but instead you came up with all this anti American cross border BS that had nothing to do with the subject matter!!!! I never once said anything about you, your country, your government, you brought up all this rambling that has the makings of a beer buzz in a Niagara Falls pub. This was a thread about the Iranian President making threats against Israel and comments were made on how they would retaliate.

Wow we and you are reading two very different threads, not sure what you proved but ok. If you think I implied anything then stop reading between the lines, I try and ask you simple yes or no questions and you go on and on , what are you even talking about across border stuff, wow. I don't even know what to say to you anymore. I try and talk to you very patiently and all you do is call me names and answer nothing that I ask you directly.

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

That was a term derived from Ayatollah Khomeini because of US support for the Shaw of Iran. He did not approve of what he saw as western promiscuous behavior that was polluting Iran and that was the basis for the Islamic revolution which has now spread not only against American culture, but all western cultures, including Canada!

Again you are taking just small parts out of some of my posts and using them for your own intertests. I said in other post before this one, Several majors countrys, I said WE. Read it closer. This one post was from a different talk than me and you, I was answering him not you.

[evangilder]

Jerusalem would never be an open city under Arab control. Look what they did to Gaza when it was returned to them, they destroyed everything that was Jewish, including the buildings that once were synagogues. Look what happened in Jerusalem under Jordanian control:

An invasion of Arab armies during the 1948 War of Independence caused Jerusalem to be artificially divided between an Israeli-controlled western section, and a Jordanian-controlled eastern section.

During this dark period, Arab control of the Old City and eastern sections of Jerusalem caused severe hardships and persecution for both Jews and Christians: From 1948 to 1967, Jordan denied the Jewish people access to its sacred Western Wall (in violation of its Armistice Agreement with Israel), over fifty synagogues in the Old City's Jewish Quarter were destroyed or desecrated, and the Old City’s Jewish residents were expelled.

Moreover, the Christian population of Jordanian Jerusalem fell from 25,000 to 11,000, as highly restrictive Jordanian laws were imposed on Christian institutions.

I would not agree that all people are good people. Most, yes, but certainly not all. It is the extremists that are causing all of this grief and when moderate peoples stand up to these idiots and beat them down, then intelligent talk can occur.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

Wow we and you are reading two very different threads, not sure what you proved but ok. If you think I implied anything then stop reading between the lines, I try and ask you simple yes or no questions and you go on and on , what are you even talking about across border stuff, wow. I don't even know what to say to you anymore. I try and talk to you very patiently and all you do is call me names and answer nothing that I ask you directly.

Well what yes and no questions do you want answered? Do I think the US is the most hated country? NO!!!

Do I think the US government is always right? NO!!!

But now you're own words...

"In some very small way I do agree "alittle with him". If part of my country was given away (by some powers "greater" than us) I would alittle ticked also."

And my response....

"What part of Iran was given away? If we're talking Palestine, its quite a distance from Iran, and they, the Iranians (Persians) have little or nothing in common with Palestinians (except religion). He's instigating a situation that's existed for years and if he keeps it up Isreal is going to do to Iran like they did to Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, etc. etc., etc......"

Iran and Palestine are two different countries located about 900 miles from each other.

Do I believe you know what you're talking about NO!!!!

Do I think you know this subject matter? NO!!!

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by evangilder

Jerusalem would never be an open city under Arab control. Look what they did to Gaza when it was returned to them, they destroyed everything that was Jewish, including the buildings that once were synagogues. Look what happened in Jerusalem under Jordanian control:

I would not agree that all people are good people. Most, yes, but certainly not all. It is the extremists that are causing all of this grief and when moderate peoples stand up to these idiots and beat them down, then intelligent talk can occur.

A) Who are these moderate people?
B) Beat them down? Not sure if that is the answer, it will be a vicious circle that is unending. We have to educate them that those people/beliefs are wrong, we can't go about this in stronge handed way, it has to be their choice. If we keep using strong arm tactics this just gives the extremists more ammo to use vs us. We have to talk, be proactive. I know I am making this sound very simple and no I do not believe that it is simple. I do not claim to know it everything but there has to be a better way than just shooting everyone of them that sticks his head up. That does not work, see the last two wars that USA was in. Add the deaths after the wars ended and there is your proof that strong arm tactics do not work in the long term, short term maybe but not long term.
C) Intelligent talk...... mmmmmm lol I would like to see some of that happen, to many people sticking out their chests and flag waving and egos etc. I would welcome some intelligent talk on the world stage.

PS Thank you for this although slightly off subect dicussion, you being very respectful of my thoughts even if you might not agree with a 100% of them. I wish all other people could talk as well as you do. Rather falling to just name calling just b/c they do not agree with me, but that is the attitude that on a world stage leads to just what we are talking about. That is USA hating, terror attacks etc. We have to be open minded about everyone ideas and not just think our ideas are the only right ones and anyone else that does not agree can just stick it. That is not talking that is ranting.

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Well what yes and no questions do you want answered? Do I think the US is the most hated country? NO!!!

Do I think the US government is always right? NO!!!

But now you're own words...

"In some very small way I do agree "alittle with him". If part of my country was given away (by some powers "greater" than us) I would alittle ticked also."

And my response....

"What part of Iran was given away? If we're talking Palestine, its quite a distance from Iran, and they, the Iranians (Persians) have little or nothing in common with Palestinians (except religion). He's instigating a situation that's existed for years and if he keeps it up Isreal is going to do to Iran like they did to Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, etc. etc., etc......"

Iran and Palestine are two different countries located about 900 miles from each other.

Do I believe you know what you're talking about NO!!!!

Do I think you know this subject matter? NO!!!

Ok now we are getting some where. I know that Palestine and Iran are not the same place. I did not know you took me literally, I meant is that on some subjects the Muslim countries agree and stand united, Isreal is one of them, even if they do not have that in their political and public stances. I was talking the Muslim people as a whole.

The rest of everything you said, aka blah blah blah b/c you have nothing to say or you just can't say it in a intellegent way, not sure which it is. If you want to see how a intellegent person debates or how a adult debates see evangilder. He does not agree with everything I say but does he have to resort to name calling or just saying the say thing over and over and over again. Ok I understand you don't like my stand, but debate it with me don't just call me names and tell me I know nothing.

If you think I am wrong, here is my challenge, its very simple. PROVE ME WRONG LIKE A ADULT. Debate it with me don't resort to school yard tactics of name calling and just talking in circles. PROVE ME WRONG

[Erich]

you obviously have not been to the mideast, with Iraq or Iran in general it is obvious. I have.
To answer your series of repeated attempts to simply your thoughts you and others must realize we are dealing with a peoples that do not think like us here in the west. Islam is the LAW, and a hard law it is. We want to use the strong arm? ; then realize that these folk live by it even before the US and it's Allies ever entered the fray back in the 1800's. Power to control by whatever effective means at their disposal has been used since the dawn of time and will continue till the end of time after the US and others leave. Diplomacy is always the best and most stable alternative but look as to whom you are dealing with. They want to continue the conflict until every Gentile and Jew are wiped off the face of the earth...............

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by Erich

you obviously have not been to the mideast, with Iraq or Iran in general it is obvious. I have.
To answer your series of repeated attempts to simply your thoughts you and others must realize we are dealing with a peoples that do not think like us here in the west. Islam is the LAW, and a hard law it is. We want to use the strong arm? ; then realize that these folk live by it even before the US and it's Allies ever entered the fray back in the 1800's. Power to control by whatever effective means at their disposal has been used since the dawn of time and will continue till the end of time after the US and others leave. Diplomacy is always the best and most stable alternative but look as to whom you are dealing with. They want to continue the conflict until every Gentile and Jew are wiped off the face of the earth...............

I do know a few Muslims and they do not hold such harsh views, they are good people. Do they agree 100% with Canada, USA or all their Muslim country men? no i would find it hard to believe that entire countries all hold that harsh view but it is true I have never actually been their myself. I cannot speak on that, but I would find it hard to believe that we (west) could not reason with them at a table like intelligent peoples from different back grounds and religions.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

Ok now we are getting some where. I know that Palestine and Iran are not the same place. I did not know you took me literally, I meant is that on some subjects the Muslim countries agree and stand united, Israel is one of them, even if they do not have that in their political and public stances. I was talking the Muslim people as a whole.

Well when you talk in semantics that's what you get - I quoted your exact words.

Originally Posted by Hunter368

The rest of everything you said, aka blah blah blah b/c you have nothing to say or you just can't say it in a intellegent way, not sure which it is. If you want to see how a intellegent person debates or how a adult debates see evangilder. He does not agree with everything I say but does he have to resort to name calling or just saying the say thing over and over and over again. Ok I understand you don't like my stand, but debate it with me don't just call me names and tell me I know nothing.

If you think I am wrong, here is my challenge, its very simple. PROVE ME WRONG LIKE A ADULT. Debate it with me don't resort to school yard tactics of name calling and just talking in circles. PROVE ME WRONG

Oh give me a break, I said nothing that would make this discussion go into an adverse direction you're the one who brought up the US being hated, flag waving, the US military, etc.

YOUR WORDS!

"Let me see where to start, Britain, USA for the most part gave away a part of land to a people they felt sorry for, booowhooo. Then you can't understand why they are mad for so many years? Let me spell it out very careful for you. Ok if the world gave NY state to mmmmm the Jews would you be happy ? nope. It does not take alot of understanding to feel alittle understanding for their plight. Ok I understand their are alot of Americans on this site so I am ready for this feedback from this next comment. When will you Americans understand that you cannot shot and kill everyone that does not bow down to the Almighty USA. Yes you can starve them out, give them no technical help, lend them no money etc etc, but you cannot just kill people and think that will fix it. You would think USA of all would understand that and until you do you, Americans around the world will be killed for your arrogance. WAKE UP USA!!!"

WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IRAN IN ISREAL AND PALESTIEN? WHO'S BABBLING? IF YOU WANTED TO BRING UP A DISCUSSION OF US POLICY PERHAPS YOU SHOULD OF STARTED ANOTHER THREAD. !!!!

Name calling?!? Give me a break, your a victim of you're own insecurity!

HUnter do you westernized Muslims ? that is the principle key. I am talking die hard Islamic extreamists. Not just terrorists as we the western world call them but the general peoples. They do not want us in the the mideast at all and want us dead prefereably and not walking out alive. that is what I am talking about. What would be the adjenda of these people anyway meeting with them at the table. Peace will never last. Am I talking of a 100 % heartfelt presence in Iraw by the US/British, no but at this stage in time the people do need a babysitter

[evangilder]

Erich, you aren't logged iin for your last post. But you have raised a very good point. Muslims that are in the west are, for the most part, fairly westernized. The problem is the culture and when they are removed from that culture they get to see what the US is all about, not what some propaganda has taught them.

Look at what happened to Afghanistan under Taliban rule. The antique rock sculptures from the Hindu religion that were priceless artifacts were blown up by the Taliban, even when the rest of the world and the UN tried to get them not to. Hardly what I would call tolerant of other religions. And just try and carry a Christian bible or Hebrew Tanakh into Saudi Arabia and see what happens to you.

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Well when you talk in semantics that's what you get - I quoted your exact words.

Oh give me a break, I said nothing that would make this discussion go into an adverse direction you're the one who brought up the US being hated, flag waving, the US military, etc.

YOUR WORDS!

"Let me see where to start, Britain, USA for the most part gave away a part of land to a people they felt sorry for, booowhooo. Then you can't understand why they are mad for so many years? Let me spell it out very careful for you. Ok if the world gave NY state to mmmmm the Jews would you be happy ? nope. It does not take alot of understanding to feel alittle understanding for their plight. Ok I understand their are alot of Americans on this site so I am ready for this feedback from this next comment. When will you Americans understand that you cannot shot and kill everyone that does not bow down to the Almighty USA. Yes you can starve them out, give them no technical help, lend them no money etc etc, but you cannot just kill people and think that will fix it. You would think USA of all would understand that and until you do you, Americans around the world will be killed for your arrogance. WAKE UP USA!!!"

WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IRAN IN ISREAL AND PALESTIEN? WHO'S BABBLING? IF YOU WANTED TO BRING UP A DISCUSSION OF US POLICY PERHAPS YOU SHOULD OF STARTED ANOTHER THREAD. !!!!

Name calling?!? Give me a break, your a victim of you're own insecurity!

Oh damn man I bet you could argue with yourself in a locked room. Agree, you don't read all the posts by me. I just said we have all gotten alittle off subject here. Read it! wow. And this subject has alot to do with everything I have said. Why do you think Muslims hate the west (most of all USA) b/c of their politcal views. How this thread got here is all the rednecks out there saying just blow them all up that will fix it. haha That will not fix it. You cannot just smash someone or something when it pops up that you do not agree with, thats what a 13 old boy does. Until WE (mostly USA) sees this they will be terror attacks around the world. Simple as that. You cannot kill them all my friend, the guy next door could be one, until he kills a bunch of people you most likely will not even know. So you can stumble around shotting people and bombing them trying to make them do as we say or we can talk and reason with them. Like I said before this is not easy I know but if we spent as much time and money on talking as we do on bombs and guns the world would be alot safer place for us all (especially if you are from USA).

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by evangilder

Erich, you aren't logged iin for your last post. But you have raised a very good point. Muslims that are in the west are, for the most part, fairly westernized. The problem is the culture and when they are removed from that culture they get to see what the US is all about, not what some propaganda has taught them.

Look at what happened to Afghanistan under Taliban rule. The antique rock sculptures from the Hindu religion that were priceless artifacts were blown up by the Taliban, even when the rest of the world and the UN tried to get them not to. Hardly what I would call tolerant of other religions. And just try and carry a Christian bible or Hebrew Tanakh into Saudi Arabia and see what happens to you.

Very true all you and Eric say but..... babies don't know hate they are taught it. They are just simple normal people like us all. They have to feed the kids, put on their pants one leg at a time, they need to eat etc. Just people some alittle crazy yes but trying to kill them all will not work. Thats what they (the people making the decisions for them) want us to do, everytime we kill one of them they use that to gather more of them. Look at the big bad USA killing us, down with usa. There is a better way. We have to educate them and they have to realize that we are not that bad.

you talk as if you are one of my perverted freinds from the 1960's Hunter. your theory in this case is warped. If we had seriously thought about wiping Baghdad as an example off the face of the earth and not trying to help rebuild this waste of a town and help the poor innocents then the City would of been wipped long time ago. Talk with any vet from over there and you will find they don;t want to be there but are. they also feel they are helping these folk, and there wishes besides being homeward is to take out ehb ad guy. why do the Muslims hate the US, I have already answered that, include the Jew as well as any other non-Islamic believer. It is just more showy to them if Americans are killed on whatever means it takes......

point is back to topic, the US supports Israels endeavours to be recognized as a nation and to live in peace the best way it knows how. The Mideast Islamic believing countries have always hated Israel and the Jews, and even with our helping hands to those that have suffered over the many many years we are still looked at with suspicion. Funny the mideast countries gladly take our monies and once we turn opur back thinking they may be satsified we get stabbed in the back.....