Iranian President Calls WW2 Holocaust A Myth

[evangilder]

How do you propose to do that? It is throughout the culture and has been for a long time. You can't go into Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or any of these other nations and start teaching the Judeo Christian ethics. They will kill you faster than you can get a few words out. We are talking about people who would send their own children into a minefield to find a path. If they get killed, they just make another child. Don't believe that? I have seen it with my own eyes. There is little value in life to these people.

[Erich]

guest is me by the way..........must be the sphere again !

adding to Erics last post, one should ponder the destruction the former führer of Iraq blessed his people with especially the Kurds whom are wary of everyone. Geez I wonder why. And there are those that wished we never would of entered in the sturglle to free the Iraqi people and let the continual evil will of a mindless fool continue.

[Hunter368]

I agree with everything evan and eric have to say, but still the answer can't be to just kill them. Killing them just makes more of them, it gives their leaders ammo to use vs us. I do not suggest to teach them our religion, but surely there has to be a better way then just shooting them b/c that will never solve the problem. People are not born to kill or hating the west or USA they are taught that, thats what we have to stop. We have to stop the people who are teaching them hate. Again not saying I know how to do it but what we are doing now is not getting the job done either. All it is doing is spending alot of money, getting people elected, getting young men killed, its giving the hate mongers ammo vs us, getting innocent people killed, and driving up oil prices.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

Oh damn man I bet you could argue with yourself in a locked room. Agree, you don't read all the posts by me. I just said we have all gotten alittle off subject here. Read it! wow. And this subject has alot to do with everything I have said. Why do you think Muslims hate the west (most of all USA) b/c of their politcal views. How this thread got here is all the rednecks out there saying just blow them all up that will fix it.

Now you're being delusional - I went back and looked at the first 4 or 5 postings on this thread and no one here ever said "blow em up."

Rednecks?!? Who's name calling now - are you sure you're not in the NDP?!?

Originally Posted by Hunter368

So you can stumble around shotting people and bombing them trying to make them do as we say or we can talk and reason with them. Like I said before this is not easy I know but if we spent as much time and money on talking as we do on bombs and guns the world would be alot safer place for us all (especially if you are from USA).

Shotting and bombing? Hmmmm

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

I agree with everything evan and eric have to say, but still the answer can't be to just kill them. Killing them just makes more of them, it gives their leaders ammo to use vs us. I do not suggest to teach them our religion, but surely there has to be a better way then just shooting them b/c that will never solve the problem.

You go tell that to some of the more radical Muslium Clerics - you'll get your throat slit!

Originally Posted by Hunter368

People are not born to kill or hating the west or USA they are taught that, thats what we have to stop. We have to stop the people who are teaching them hate. Again not saying I know how to do it but what we are doing now is not getting the job done either. All it is doing is spending alot of money, getting people elected, getting young men killed, its giving the hate mongers ammo vs us, getting innocent people killed, and driving up oil prices.

Good, figure that out and then tell me the meaning of life

[FLYBOYJ]

The bottom line here folks is the President of Iran is slowly perpetuating a crisis with Israel, I believe he's doing it to smokescreen other problems that exist within his country. If he keeps it up Israel is going to strike at him, either blowing up Iran's planned nuclear reactor (Like they did to Iraq) or attacking him directly. In either case the Iranian President is creating a situation that will only alienate Iran from the west and align them with the more radical clerics. The point here is Israel is not going to sit by and idly be threatened....

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

The bottom line here folks is the President of Iran is slowly perpetuating a crisis with Israel, I believe he's doing it to smokescreen other problems that exist within his country. If he keeps it up Israel is going to strike at him, either blowing up Iran's planned nuclear reactor (Like they did to Iraq) or attacking him directly. In either case the Iranian President is creating a situation that will only alienate Iran from the west and align them with the more radical clerics. The point here is Israel is not going to sit by and idly be threatened....

For once we both agree 100% on something, it took awhile but we did it.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

For once we both agree 100% on something, it took awhile but we did it.

Yep - and here's what Europe and even the Palestinians are saying about it....

BRUSSELS, Belgium - European leaders warned Thursday that patience with Iran is running thin less than a week before envoys from Britain, France and Germany are to resume negotiations with Tehran over its nuclear program.

A day after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called the Holocaust a "myth," Europe's foreign ministers were expected to discuss his comments at a summit. German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said his delegation would demand a European Union condemnation.

"The government in Tehran must understand that the patience of the international community is not endless," he told the German parliament in Berlin before leaving for Belgium.

Ahmadinejad first provoked an international outcry in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Then, on Wednesday, he said in remarks carried live by state-run Iranian television that the Holocaust was a "myth" the Europeans used to create a Jewish state in the heart of the Islamic world.

"Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets," he said.

Nations from Europe to Asia condemned his remarks Thursday.

Benita Ferrero-Waldner, EU external relations commissioner, called Ahmadinejad's views "absolutely irresponsible." Denying the Holocaust — in which 6 million Jews died during World War II at Nazi hands — is a crime in several European nations.

China, which maintains good relations with both Iran and Israel, said such remarks could undermine world stability.

"We are not in favor of any remarks detrimental to stability and peace," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said Thursday. "Israel is a sovereign state."

Moscow did not directly criticize Ahmadinejad but condemned any attempts to deny the Holocaust, and said it was necessary to restate Moscow's "principled position."

"Speculation on these themes runs contrary to the principles of the U.N. Charter and the opinion of the world community," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Arab governments appeared reluctant to condemn Ahmadinejad. In Saudi Arabia, government-controlled newspapers picked up the remarks from international news agencies but did not comment on them.

The Palestinians tried to distance themselves. "Ahmadinejad's statements hurt the Palestinian cause because Israel and the Holocaust enjoy international recognition, and any denial of the Holocaust and Israel hurt not only those behind it but also justify Israeli actions against them," said Hani al-Masri in the Al Ayyam newspaper, which is close to the Palestinian Authority.

Steinmeier said Ahmadinejad's comments weighed heavily on talks over Tehran's nuclear program and showed "with how much irresponsibility and cynicism the Iranian government currently regards the situation of Israel and the Near East."

Envoys from Germany, France and Britain have been leading diplomatic efforts to allay fears over Iran's nuclear intentions. They are to resume negotiations with Tehran on Dec. 21.

Some German lawmakers urged the government to consider excluding Iran from the World Cup soccer tournament to take place in Germany next year, but the organizers ruled that out.

"The government must work at all levels to isolate Iran politically," Volker Beck of the opposition Greens party said on Germany's N24 television. "It's worthwhile to continue the discussion on whether to exclude Iran from the World Cup."

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

You go tell that to some of the more radical Muslium Clerics - you'll get your throat slit!

Good, figure that out and then tell me the meaning of life

Could I ask how old you are now ? I really want to know how old you are. You seem to be living back in the 50's and 60's. Just look at your sign, I would rather be killing migs. Yikes this is 2005 not 1950 or 1960. Russia is no longer a threat to USA. Relax take a deep breath. You are doing nothing but promoting hate and intolerance. You are working right into their hands by doing this, without people like you they would have the ammo to tell their followers. Just relax its 2005 not the cold war. You don't have to fear the Reds anymore.

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Yep - and here's what Europe and even the Palestinians are saying about it....

BRUSSELS, Belgium - European leaders warned Thursday that patience with Iran is running thin less than a week before envoys from Britain, France and Germany are to resume negotiations with Tehran over its nuclear program.

A day after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called the Holocaust a "myth," Europe's foreign ministers were expected to discuss his comments at a summit. German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said his delegation would demand a European Union condemnation.

"The government in Tehran must understand that the patience of the international community is not endless," he told the German parliament in Berlin before leaving for Belgium.

Ahmadinejad first provoked an international outcry in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Then, on Wednesday, he said in remarks carried live by state-run Iranian television that the Holocaust was a "myth" the Europeans used to create a Jewish state in the heart of the Islamic world.

"Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets," he said.

Nations from Europe to Asia condemned his remarks Thursday.

Benita Ferrero-Waldner, EU external relations commissioner, called Ahmadinejad's views "absolutely irresponsible." Denying the Holocaust — in which 6 million Jews died during World War II at Nazi hands — is a crime in several European nations.

China, which maintains good relations with both Iran and Israel, said such remarks could undermine world stability.

"We are not in favor of any remarks detrimental to stability and peace," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said Thursday. "Israel is a sovereign state."

Moscow did not directly criticize Ahmadinejad but condemned any attempts to deny the Holocaust, and said it was necessary to restate Moscow's "principled position."

"Speculation on these themes runs contrary to the principles of the U.N. Charter and the opinion of the world community," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Arab governments appeared reluctant to condemn Ahmadinejad. In Saudi Arabia, government-controlled newspapers picked up the remarks from international news agencies but did not comment on them.

The Palestinians tried to distance themselves. "Ahmadinejad's statements hurt the Palestinian cause because Israel and the Holocaust enjoy international recognition, and any denial of the Holocaust and Israel hurt not only those behind it but also justify Israeli actions against them," said Hani al-Masri in the Al Ayyam newspaper, which is close to the Palestinian Authority.

Steinmeier said Ahmadinejad's comments weighed heavily on talks over Tehran's nuclear program and showed "with how much irresponsibility and cynicism the Iranian government currently regards the situation of Israel and the Near East."

Envoys from Germany, France and Britain have been leading diplomatic efforts to allay fears over Iran's nuclear intentions. They are to resume negotiations with Tehran on Dec. 21.

Some German lawmakers urged the government to consider excluding Iran from the World Cup soccer tournament to take place in Germany next year, but the organizers ruled that out.

"The government must work at all levels to isolate Iran politically," Volker Beck of the opposition Greens party said on Germany's N24 television. "It's worthwhile to continue the discussion on whether to exclude Iran from the World Cup."

Very nice quotes I like it and again agree 100% with you and everything in this post. This is good work, this is good debating and talking about a touchy subject. Well done.

Hunter you must be what 25 or younger correct ? No disrespect but the Soviets are not our new found allies and probably never will be. they pose a threat larger than you imagine besides the larger neighbor residing inext to them. and by the way there were wmd's in Iraq

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

Could I ask how old you are now ? I really want to know how old you are. You seem to be living back in the 50's and 60's. Just look at your sign, I would rather be killing migs. Yikes this is 2005 not 1950 or 1960. Russia is no longer a threat to USA. Relax take a deep breath. You are doing nothing but promoting hate and intolerance. You are working right into their hands by doing this, without people like you they would have the ammo to tell their followers. Just relax its 2005 not the cold war. You don't have to fear the Reds anymore.

I'm 46 and that was an expression of fighter pilots back in that day and yes, if I flew in the Korean War, yes I'd rather be killing migs!!!! It's what fighter pilots are paid to do!!!!

It more exemplifies the duel between two great aircraft and two rival philosophies, and yes I know I have nothing to fear of the Soviet Union, THEY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE!!

If you haven't figured it out this site is about WW2 and military aircraft and those who maintain and flew them, there is an element of talking about wars, adversaries their weaknesses and their strengths, you my friend are a newbee here coming on as if part of a UN peacekeeping delegation. WE'RE DISCUSSING COMBAT AIRCRAFT HERE OR AM I ON THE WRONG SITE!!!!

There is going to be talk of war, killing etc., and it's not a glamorization of the horror of war but a tribute to those who served. If this is too deep for you I suggest you find another sandbox to play in.

Oh by the way - I have worked on numerous Soviet (Russian) aircraft and actually know many former Soviet pilots who I received training from. Some of them have screen savers that have F-4s in a Mig's gun site, no grudges there pal, just business....

Oh by the way, "Use cloud cover when possible and attack with the sun at your back. Never slow down, speed, speed and more speed kills." Hmmmm, the words of an old ace, maybe HE was an F-86 flight leader?!?!

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Hunter368

Very nice quotes I like it and again agree 100% with you and everything in this post. This is good work, this is good debating and talking about a touchy subject. Well done.

Thanks!

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hunter you must be what 25 or younger correct ? No disrespect but the Soviets are not our new found allies and probably never will be. they pose a threat larger than you imagine besides the larger neighbor residing inext to them. and by the way there were wmd's in Iraq

I wish I was 25 again but saddly I am not. Sorry not sure who this is, you are not signed in. I know they are not our best buds or anything but they truely are not a global threat like they once were or that USA is today (not saying USA is a threat just saying they are a Super power and Russia is not truely a Super Power anymore they are just a Major power with alot of nukes and a decaying military.

Not sure what you mean by wmd's, sorry.

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I'm 46 and that was an expression of fighter pilots back in that day and yes, if I flew in the Korean War, yes I'd rather be killing migs!!!! It's what fighter pilots are paid to do!!!!

It more exemplifies the duel between two great aircraft and two rival philosophies, and yes I know I have nothing to fear of the Soviet Union, THEY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE!!

If you haven't figured it out this site is about WW2 and military aircraft and those who maintain and flew them, this is an element of talking about wars, adversaries their weaknesses and their strengths, you my friend are a newbee here coming on as if part of a UN peacekeeping delegation.

There is going to be talk of war, killing etc., and it's not a glamorization of the horror of war but a tribute to those who served. If this is too deep for you I suggest you find another sandbox to play in.

Oh by the way - I have worked on numerous Soviet (Russian) aircraft and actually know many former Soviet pilots who I received training from. Some of them have screen savers that have F-4s in a Mig's gun site, no grudges there pal, just business....

I am well aware of what this site is about, that is WW2 aircraft my favorite subject. I am not trying to be any UN peacekeeper just a objective mind. I have nothing but the hightest respect for all military personel, I have had relitives die in WW1 and WW2. Have I ever been in combat, no. Am I in the military now, no. Have I been on this great site long, no. Does how long you been on this site give you some devine knowledge, no. Can a person not serving in the military, or a new person to this site have valid ideas, yes! If you do not think so...... well how does the saying go.... can't argue with an ....you know the rest, you old enough to remember.