 | Iranian President Calls WW2 Holocaust A Myth| Politics Discuss Iranian President Calls WW2 Holocaust A Myth in the Current forums; Originally Posted by Hunter368
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12-15-2005, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hunter368 Could I ask how old you are now ? I really want to know how old you are. You seem to be living back in the 50's and 60's. Just look at your sign, I would rather be killing migs. Yikes this is 2005 not 1950 or 1960. Russia is no longer a threat to USA. Relax take a deep breath. You are doing nothing but promoting hate and intolerance. You are working right into their hands by doing this, without people like you they would have the ammo to tell their followers. Just relax its 2005 not the cold war. You don't have to fear the Reds anymore. | I'm 46 and that was an expression of fighter pilots back in that day and yes, if I flew in the Korean War, yes I'd rather be killing migs!!!! It's what fighter pilots are paid to do!!!!
It more exemplifies the duel between two great aircraft and two rival philosophies, and yes I know I have nothing to fear of the Soviet Union, THEY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE!!
If you haven't figured it out this site is about WW2 and military aircraft and those who maintain and flew them, this is an element of talking about wars, adversaries their weaknesses and their strengths, you my friend are a newbee here coming on as if part of a UN peacekeeping delegation.
There is going to be talk of war, killing etc., and it's not a glamorization of the horror of war but a tribute to those who served. If this is too deep for you I suggest you find another sandbox to play in.
Oh by the way - I have worked on numerous Soviet (Russian) aircraft and actually know many former Soviet pilots who I received training from. Some of them have screen savers that have F-4s in a Mig's gun site, no grudges there pal, just business.... | I am well aware of what this site is about, that is WW2 aircraft my favorite subject. I am not trying to be any UN peacekeeper just a objective mind. I have nothing but the hightest respect for all military personel, I have had relitives die in WW1 and WW2. Have I ever been in combat, no. Am I in the military now, no. Have I been on this great site long, no. Does how long you been on this site give you some devine knowledge, no. Can a person not serving in the military, or a new person to this site have valid ideas, yes! If you do not think so...... well how does the saying go.... can't argue with an ....you know the rest, you old enough to remember. |  Good stuff and you're entitled to your opinion, that's never been an argument, but understand that those of us who have served have a contempt but yet respect for former foes, and it has nothing to do with our siggys....
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Originally Posted by Hunter368 Could I ask how old you are now ? I really want to know how old you are. You seem to be living back in the 50's and 60's. Just look at your sign, I would rather be killing migs. Yikes this is 2005 not 1950 or 1960. Russia is no longer a threat to USA. Relax take a deep breath. You are doing nothing but promoting hate and intolerance. You are working right into their hands by doing this, without people like you they would have the ammo to tell their followers. Just relax its 2005 not the cold war. You don't have to fear the Reds anymore. | I'm 46 and that was an expression of fighter pilots back in that day and yes, if I flew in the Korean War, yes I'd rather be killing migs!!!! It's what fighter pilots are paid to do!!!!
It more exemplifies the duel between two great aircraft and two rival philosophies, and yes I know I have nothing to fear of the Soviet Union, THEY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE!!
If you haven't figured it out this site is about WW2 and military aircraft and those who maintain and flew them, this is an element of talking about wars, adversaries their weaknesses and their strengths, you my friend are a newbee here coming on as if part of a UN peacekeeping delegation.
There is going to be talk of war, killing etc., and it's not a glamorization of the horror of war but a tribute to those who served. If this is too deep for you I suggest you find another sandbox to play in.
Oh by the way - I have worked on numerous Soviet (Russian) aircraft and actually know many former Soviet pilots who I received training from. Some of them have screen savers that have F-4s in a Mig's gun site, no grudges there pal, just business.... | I am well aware of what this site is about, that is WW2 aircraft my favorite subject. I am not trying to be any UN peacekeeper just a objective mind. I have nothing but the hightest respect for all military personel, I have had relitives die in WW1 and WW2. Have I ever been in combat, no. Am I in the military now, no. Have I been on this great site long, no. Does how long you been on this site give you some devine knowledge, no. Can a person not serving in the military, or a new person to this site have valid ideas, yes! If you do not think so...... well how does the saying go.... can't argue with an ....you know the rest, you old enough to remember. | Good stuff and you're entitled to your opinion, that's never been an argument, but understand that those of us who have served have a contempt but yet respect for former foes, and it has nothing to do with our siggys.... | Ok I give you that, you earned it. Like I said I have nothing but respect for any Military people. It can be a thankless job, that does not always pay alot of money and your hard work back in Korea and cold war saved the Western world. Again I salute you sir and all your airforce buddies. On a side note what did you fly in Korea?
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Originally Posted by Hunter368 Ok I give you that, you earned it. Like I said I have nothing but respect for any Military people. It can be a thankless job, that does not always pay alot of money and your hard work back in Korea and cold war saved the Western world. Again I salute you sir and all your airforce buddies. On a side note what did you fly in Korea? | Many Thanks! 
I didn't fly in Korea, I'm not that old.  I worked at a place where I maintained 2 F-86s, a Chinese built Mig-15, a T-33 and a Mig-15UTI. I got to fly the T-33 and Mig-15UTI but I don't have my type rating in either aircraft, so I never flew them solo. Aircraft from this era have always been my favorite as I think exemplified the struggle between two different philosophies and what was to come....
In addition to this I'm involved with several operators of L-29s and L-39s. Now the L-29 I have flown and am hoping to have my full check out this spring (I would have it by now but there is a regulation issue as far as my total hours and eligibility)
Because of being around these aircraft I got to meet many Russians and Czechs who have either maintained or flew these aircraft in the "good ole cold war days." We swapped a lot of stories of how both east and west operated aircraft....
As far as my military career - I was in the US Naval Reserve, I worked as a maintainer on P-3s and C-130s. I also worked for Lockheed and built your CP-140s.....
Today I work at the US Air Force Academy. My company does aircraft maintenance on the gliders and some of the Cessnas operated here as well as the jump planes and we also supply the tow planes for the glider operations. I'm also a part-time flight instructor.....
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12-15-2005, 06:46 PM
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Country: | All I can say is that u are one hell of an ******* hunter... Ur opinion is just that, an opinion... And as we all know, opinions are like assholes, everyones got one... So dont sit there and try to push ur pinko leftist bullshit here...
My opinion is that u are another one of those "Make love not war'' 'Jane Fonda followers" and I dont have patience to deal with another one of u assholes...
Ask any American if they care if America is the most hated country.... No one cares, except some pinko fag from Canada who comes into a new site and decides to put his foot in his mouth, and then tries to cover it up with bullshit.... Ive seen a dozen turds like urself, and like the others, I look forward to flushing ur ass down the drain...
My advise to u is to shut ur mouth, read alot of the older posts here, get a feel how this site is run, and post about WWII aircraft... U either fit in or u dont, and ur square ass aint exactly fitting into the round hole pal...
(and for ur info, Im 39, a former Navy SEAL, and the Minister of Whoopass...)
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Country: | For the record, Hunter, I think you and flyboyj got off on the wrong foot. I have met Joe personally and I can tell you he is a cool guy. The way you worded your initial post got me flared up at first read too. If I hadn't been doing many things at once, I may have also replied similarly to the way Joe did. If you are careful how you word things, you will get along fine.
A good rule of thumb, if you aren't sure if you are going to be raising some hackles, write, copy and paste it into notepad and let it sit awhile. Go back and re-read it. Then if it sounds right, post it. Sometimes stepping back for a bit will clarify things.
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Country: | Hunter, your initial reply to FJ did sound arrogant and condescending, and you were the one making a big deal about flag waving. It looked to me almost like you were deliberately goading him, and then trying to come off as being innocent about it.
Some interesting points raised by all. It made for an interesting read. I personally think the new Iranian leader is being a dick, and he has past terrorist affiliations to boot. I do not sympathize with terrorist motivations, and if anyone from that part of the world or any other fosters anti-American, anti-Canadian, or just overall anti-western or ant-Christian feelings, I say "too bad". I don't feel I have to understand or feel sorrow for anyone. I don't expect understanding in return either. I know Muslims myself, and most of the ones I know are decent enough. That's the extent of my expertise.
Canadians are among the biggest flag wavers in the world, and there's not a thing in the world wrong with it. We even do it in the United States, and Americans are gracious and accomodating enough to put up with it, just as we are with them for the most part when they do it in Canada. What's the big deal?
I'm a proud Canadian, and I strongly believe in waving my flag every chance I get. If I had a bigger one I might use it, but the RCAF roundel suits my purposes just dandy. | |
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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer Hunter, your initial reply to FJ did sound arrogant and condescending, and you were the one making a big deal about flag waving. It looked to me almost like you were deliberately goading him, and then trying to come off as being innocent about it.
Some interesting points raised by all. It made for an interesting read. I personally think the new Iranian leader is being a dick, and he has past terrorist affiliations to boot. I do not sympathize with terrorist motivations, and if anyone from that part of the world or any other fosters anti-American, anti-Canadian, or just overall anti-western or ant-Christian feelings, I say "too bad". I don't feel I have to understand or feel sorrow for anyone. I don't expect understanding in return either. I know Muslims myself, and most of the ones I know are decent enough. That's the extent of my expertise.
Canadians are among the biggest flag wavers in the world, and there's not a thing in the world wrong with it. We even do it in the United States, and Americans are gracious and accomodating enough to put up with it, just as we are with them for the most part when they do it in Canada. What's the big deal?
I'm a proud Canadian, and I strongly believe in waving my flag every chance I get. If I had a bigger one I might use it, but the RCAF roundel suits my purposes just dandy. | I agree with 100% with what you have said here, I did start off alittle over the top, I admit that, I was also doing alot other things at the same time and didn't take care to upset anyone (not that I care about ruffing a few feathers anyways, it can make for a interesting day and we all might learn something). But if you seen the later half of my posts I was being very patient and very careful about what I said, just trying to get a two sided discussion going here instead of just a one sided one. Who wants to argue with them selves? lol. I think I got some great points brought up from both sides of the coin, we all don't have to agree thats what so great about this world. I'm all cool with how everything turned out. Me and evan and FB are all fine now, we both gave each other one or two compliements. Its all good. I have very thick skin believe me no one here could say anything that would do more than make me laugh. Thats what forums are for, to talk about ideas, we don't have to all agree with each other. I agree with everything evan and fb say for about 85% of it anyways.
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Originally Posted by Erich oh alright I'll join the fun.........I'm 53 plus years and have seen too much crap in this world even over in the mid-east. And yes the Soviets are still a frickin threat | I agree 100% they are a threat.
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Originally Posted by evangilder For the record, Hunter, I think you and flyboyj got off on the wrong foot. I have met Joe personally and I can tell you he is a cool guy. The way you worded your initial post got me flared up at first read too. If I hadn't been doing many things at once, I may have also replied similarly to the way Joe did. If you are careful how you word things, you will get along fine.
A good rule of thumb, if you aren't sure if you are going to be raising some hackles, write, copy and paste it into notepad and let it sit awhile. Go back and re-read it. Then if it sounds right, post it. Sometimes stepping back for a bit will clarify things. | I have no problem with FB now, yes we did start off rough but thats ok. I started out at first alittle over the top and he reacted (natural), he and I both slowed down and had a good talk and we both give each other one or two compliements. But I do not back down from my most basic point that is you can't kill everyone in the long run that does not agree with you. Short run that can help but long it will do nothing.
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Originally Posted by Hunter368 Ok I give you that, you earned it. Like I said I have nothing but respect for any Military people. It can be a thankless job, that does not always pay alot of money and your hard work back in Korea and cold war saved the Western world. Again I salute you sir and all your airforce buddies. On a side note what did you fly in Korea? | Many Thanks!
I didn't fly in Korea, I'm not that old. I worked at a place where I maintained 2 F-86s, a Chinese built Mig-15, a T-33 and a Mig-15UTI. I got to fly the T-33 and Mig-15UTI but I don't have my type rating in either aircraft, so I never flew them solo. Aircraft from this era have always been my favorite as I think exemplified the struggle between two different philosophies and what was to come....
In addition to this I'm involved with several operators of L-29s and L-39s. Now the L-29 I have flown and am hoping to have my full check out this spring (I would have it by now but there is a regulation issue as far as my total hours and eligibility)
Because of being around these aircraft I got to meet many Russians and Czechs who have either maintained or flew these aircraft in the "good ole cold war days." We swapped a lot of stories of how both east and west operated aircraft....
As far as my military career - I was in the US Naval Reserve, I worked as a maintainer on P-3s and C-130s. I also worked for Lockheed and built your CP-140s.....
Today I work at the US Air Force Academy. My company does aircraft maintenance on the gliders and some of the Cessnas operated here as well as the jump planes and we also supply the tow planes for the glider operations. I'm also a part-time flight instructor..... | That is very cool, that time in aircraft is my second favorite planes. What was the Mig-15 and F-86 like to work on? Was their maintaining them like, good ? bad ? average ?
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Country: | Now I want to ask you - "Kill everyone?" Are we referring to actions in Iraq or in Afganistan? Do you think the US military arbitrarilly goes around shooting civilians just for the hell of it. If you want to refer to what's going on in the middle east, the most radical Muslims had their world set - they had control of a whole country, they could of burnt US flags and shouted slogans all day in demonstrations and they were doing well blowing up what they viewed as satanic monuments. They decided to perpetuate an attack against the US and they lost everything. If this was a matter of simply killing people because they disagree with US policy, 10 B-52s could of taken out half the region, I think you have to examine the bigger picture and realize that despite the hostilities in Afghanistan and Iraq (which in some instances I disagree, my own opinion) the US and other coalition forces have painstakingly avoid unnecessary civilian causalities to the point where coalition soldiers were wounded and killed because of this policy.
The Islamic revolution started in 1979 - if we would of wanted to kill everyone who disagree with us the middle east would of been laid to waste years ago.....
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That is very cool, that time in aircraft is my second favorite planes. What was the Mig-15 and F-86 like to work on? Was their maintaining them like, good ? bad ? average ?
| Both were pretty straight up - the -86 had 3 hydraulic systems so it leaked a lot, the Mig was a lot simpler and basically had many "bolt on features" that made maintenance easy. Everything you've read or heard about the Mig-15 and the F-86 is true, I believe over-all the F-86F was superior to the Mig-15, especially with a seasoned pilot flying it...
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus All I can say is that u are one hell of an as*hole hunter... Ur opinion is just that, an opinion... And as we all know, opinions are like assholes, everyones got one... So dont sit there and try to push ur pinko leftist bullshit here...
My opinion is that u are another one of those "Make love not war'' 'Jane Fonda followers" and I dont have patience to deal with another one of u assholes...
Ask any American if they care if America is the most hated country.... No one cares, except some pinko fag from Canada who comes into a new site and decides to put his foot in his mouth, and then tries to cover it up with bullshit.... Ive seen a dozen turds like urself, and like the others, I look forward to flushing ur ass down the drain...
My advise to u is to shut ur mouth, read alot of the older posts here, get a feel how this site is run, and post about WWII aircraft... U either fit in or u dont, and ur square ass aint exactly fitting into the round hole pal...
(and for ur info, Im 39, a former Navy SEAL, and the Minister of Whoopass...) | Wow for admin I would expected alot more, let me translate what you just said in this whole post:
I don't like what you say so you are bad, you are dumb, I am taking my ball and going home.
Wow that post from you sounds like what a 12 old would write. Just for the record America should care what the rest of the world thinks of it, if you do then you could increase your trade, understand and maybe fix why so many people want to kill or capture people from the USA. Like FB brought up and made a a good funny which I have to admit I laughed about all night I am no NDP, about as far as you can get from it. I am very much on the side of the military action if it makes sense. As far as fitting in, I don't need to conform to any idea you have or anyone else of whats acceptable. If you don't like that well that is just to bad for you. As for you being a Navy Seal, great for you, I again I have respect for that and I salute you. About you being Minister of Whoopass, all that proves to me is that you watch too much Stone Cold, lol although the fact that I realize where that saying is from I guess that I am guilty as you are on that one. If you want to discuss this subject or any other plz try and show alittle respect and i will to, if not well you might just be ignored or get the same disrespect back depends how I am feeling that day. Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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