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Old 11-02-2006, 10:09 AM   #61
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Aha just found out some new stuff.

The problem is not that the equipment is not installed in the aircraft but that the RAF can not properly test the equipment. This has also led to the problem of not being able to train your crews which means that there are not eneogh trained and qualified crews to fly the aircraft.

This was also back in 2004 so the problem is probably fixed by now.
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The Ministry of Defence's most senior civil servant has been urged to resign by a senior MP over "blunders" in buying helicopters.
Sir Kevin Tebbit was lambasted by the Public Accounts committee about why eight new helicopters worth £259m were grounded due to procurement problems.

Labour backbencher Alan Williams asked him on Monday: "Don't you think you should consider your position?"

Sir Kevin said the way new kit was ordered had now been improved.

The Chinook helicopters were grounded because they could be a risk to fly in cloudy weather because the software which enabled them to do this could not be properly tested.

Chinooks are used for ferrying troops, artillery and supplies to and from the battlefield. The helicopters were due to be back in service in 1998.


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The committee also criticised the MoD over the lack of trained pilots which had grounded Apache helicopters and the equipment shortage which meant 24, not 33, Lynx helicopters were sent to Iraq.

Sir Kevin said the problems should not be compared as they were all very different.

He said nobody had known the next military operation would be in Iraq and he suggested people should be pleased the Apaches were now in Iraq.

At the committee questions session, Mr Williams branded the problems a "fiasco" and "downright absolute incompetence".

"You sound like British Rail saying it is the wrong kind of snow," he said. "The British Army is supposed to be able to operate anywhere in the world it is needed.

"I joined this committee in 1990 and I thought by now, I'd seen every variation of fiasco it's possible to see, and then this report landed on my desk."

Fellow backbencher Gerry Steinberg said the mistakes had undermined the UK's ability to act in Iraq.

He said: "You balls up the Apaches, you also messed up the Chinooks, you also messed up the Lynx. Three acquisitions messed up.

"Every time you come to us you tell us it will not happen again but it does happen again."

Sir Kevin said he was sorry for the problems but added: "There is nothing I can do to put it right overnight."

He said the Chinook's problems had led to difficulties in training in the UK, but had not affected operations in Iraq.

BBC NEWS | Politics | MoD head urged to quit on Chinook
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What's going on with military aviation training over there in britain? You're supposed to be crushing us yanks w/ your superior training methods?
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It's a dastardly leftist plot to prevent us from showing our true abilities. Blair started it.
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mkloby it is not that they dont have good training but rather the fact that the government screwed up and did not get the proper stuff to test there equipment and therefore can not train the people and even the trainers are uncurrent.
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Good grief, he said something I can agree with!
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Aww should I feel honored...
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I was just giving the Brits a hard time. That's pretty much all this thread has been about! It's all in good fun
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Letter To Ahmadinejad From Kofi Annan
05.13.06

My Dearest Mahmoud,

Thank you so much for writing the letter to America’s president. As planned, that instrument is already doing its work. Now people of the world can really see that you and your government are poor, misunderstood victims of Zionist lies and American imperialism. Your rhetoric is most impressive!

I see you took my advice and accused Bush of invading Iraq on nothing more than the pretext of WMD - implying it was his sinister conspiracy. That line never fails. Loved the bit about the war not being fought to topple Saddam. ROFL! Leftist politicians will go along with that, they always smudge their memories if that fits their petty political hatreds. What UN resolutions? There has never been Resolution 1441! There has never been a warning to Saddam to step down or be attacked. Excuse me if I sound like our mutual friend Baghdad Bob. I met him just last night and he's as perky and reliable as ever. He loved your letter and was asking if you perhaps are looking for a speechwriter or an Information Minister.

Again, thank you for creating that instrument. We are all at war against the Imperialists. War is chaos. Lies and misrepresentations create and foster chaos. As Ramsey Clark said at our last meeting "A world in chaos is a malleable world. Chaos creates the conditions necessary for world socialist revolution. Out of chaos can arise great men. I am a great man. I like chaos. Chaos is great!" You are a great man too, Mahmoud - and a friend.

As one great man to another I feel I need to give you a heads up. The Great Satan will soon demand UN economic sanctions against you and I can do very little about it. I think we should get together and discus some of my ideas on humanitarian Food for Oil operations.

To THE DAY!

XOXOXO,

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PS – I understand that Syria is in possession of some inexpensive yellowcake. I would be honored to broker any transaction you wish. What are your nuclear needs?

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Letter To Ahmadinejad From Kim Jong Il
05.12.06

To: Mr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
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From: Kim Jong Il
Dear Leader, Teacher, Father, Son, and Spirit of Juche

Dear President,

What exactly is an Islamic Republic? Everyone knows that the only qualifier suitable to precede the word Republic is People’s, as in The People’s Republic of North Korea. This brings us to the point, sir; we find it troubling that you have failed to renounce your faith in Islam and embrace the great Juche Idea that was given to the world by our Father Kim Il Sung.

Whether you like it or not, Mr. Ahmadinejad, the world is gravitating towards International Socialism and Juche will prevail over all things. Your campaign slogan was: "It’s possible and we can do it." It is indeed possible, Mr. A, and you will discard your false faith in Allah and will instead worship the Dear Leader. As the people of Korea have learned, it is most worthwhile to worship, trust and follow the Dear Leader Kim Jong Il as god. He is the great teacher who teaches them what the true life is, a father who provides them with the noblest political integrity, and a tender-hearted benefactor who brings their worthwhile life into full bloom. They have keenly felt the greatness of the General from the bottom of their hearts, and so will you.

We understand that you were born the son of a blacksmith, an honorable proletarian profession. We also respect your accomplishments as a civil engineer and university professor. But how can one make "Allah Akbar" his slogan and really care about the goals of the world-wide proletarian Revolution? We are, of course, allies of a sort in the battle against what you and your brethren call "The Great Satan." But being fellow travelers is just not good enough anymore, Mr. Ahmadinejad. The time has come for you to make a decision: Either convert to Marxism, or we will threaten to wipe your country off the map and continue to pursue our nuclear program - UN sanctions be damned!

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When McCaffrey is talking like this, you gotta be a little bit worried.
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Wow. Won't see that candid discussion in the media. Thanks FBJ.
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T. Bubba Bechtol, part time City Councilman from Midland, TX, was asked on a
local live radio talk show the other day just what he thought of the
allegations of torture of the Iraqi prisoners. His reply prompted his
ejection from the studio, but to thunderous applause from the audience.


"If hooking up an Iraqi prisoner's scrotum to a car's battery cables will
save one American GI's life, then I have just two things to say":

1. "Red is positive"
2. "Black is negative"
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