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Politics Discuss Israel Attacks Lebanon in the Current forums; Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I sure as hell would not, but then again I dont have to pay 200 Euros ...


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Old 07-30-2006, 04:36 AM   #226
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I sure as hell would not, but then again I dont have to pay 200 Euros to see some snatch....unlike some people....Hussars....

200.00 canadian dollars is alot cheaper then 200 euros- atleast I think it is
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Wow this has gone way off topic. We went from talking about the conflict to shitting in Modonnas corset!

Anyhow back to topic. Lebanese people today protested and stormed a UN headquarters, protesting against Isreal and the United States. Chanting Hezbollah and waving Hezbollah flags.

Isreal rejected a UN brokered 3 day cease fire.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:27 AM   #228
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Isreal rejected a UN brokered 3 day cease fire.
As they should have... And for the record Crhis, how do u spell Israel???

Or are u popping fun at hussars???
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Old 07-30-2006, 11:02 AM   #229
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And for the record Crhis, how do u spell Israel???

Or are u popping fun at hussars???
Naw that was a typo and I just did not catch it!
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Hizballah used U.N. as human shieds

Hizballah using UN Outpost as Shield, Wrote UN Observer
Joel Kom, with files from Steven Edwards, CanWest News Service, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Thursday, July 27, 2006

Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'

The words of a Canadian United Nations observer written just days before he was killed in an Israeli bombing of a UN post in Lebanon are evidence Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into Israel, says a former UN commander in Bosnia.

Those words, written in an e-mail dated just nine days ago, offer a possible explanation as to why the post -- which according to UN officials was clearly marked and known to Israeli forces -- was hit by Israel on Tuesday night, said retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie yesterday.

The strike hit the UN observation post in the southern Lebanese village of El Khiam, killing Canadian Maj. Paeta Hess-von Kruedener and three others serving as unarmed UN military observers in the area.

Just last week, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener wrote an e-mail about his experiences after nine months in the area, words Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said are an obvious allusion to Hezbollah tactics.

"What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated July 18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial bombing.

"The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic) from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity."

Those words, particularly the last sentence, are not-so-veiled language indicating Israeli strikes were aimed at Hezbollah targets near the post, said Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.

That would mean Hezbollah was purposely setting up near the UN post, he added. It's a tactic Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie, who was the first UN commander in Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war, said he's seen in past international missions: Aside from UN posts, fighters would set up near hospitals, mosques and orphanages.

A Canadian Forces infantry officer with the Edmonton-based Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and the only Canadian serving as a UN military observer in Lebanon, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener was no stranger to fighting nearby.

The UN post, he wrote in the e-mail, afforded a view of the "Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base."

"It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has taken place in our area," he wrote, noting later it was too dangerous to venture out on patrols.

The e-mail appears to contradict the UN's claim there had been no Hezbollah activity in the vicinity of the strike.

The question of Hezbollah's infiltration of the area is significant because UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, speaking Tuesday just hours after the bombing, accused the Israelis of the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the base near Khiam in southern Lebanon.

A senior UN official, asked about the information contained in Maj. Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail concerning Hezbollah presence in the vicinity of the Khiam base, denied the world body had been caught in a contradiction.


"At the time, there had been no Hezbollah activity reported in the area," he said. "So it was quite clear they were not going after other targets; that, for whatever reason, our position was being fired upon.

"Whether or not they thought they were going after something else, we don't know. The fact was, we told them where we were. They knew where we were. The position was clearly marked, and they pounded the hell out of us."

Even if Hezbollah was not firing rockets at the time of the bombing, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail indicates they were using a terrorist tactic of purposely drawing out enemy forces near a neutral site, said retired Capt. Peter Forsberg, who did two UN tours between 1993 and 1995 during the Bosnian war.

The UN's limited mandate, meaning that its observers are unarmed and have few options, put the observers in a poor position, he said.
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I knew the UN Council was full of sh*t, and this just proves my assumption that the United Nations as a viable organization are just plain worthless over there...
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Old 07-30-2006, 12:59 PM   #232
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Naw that was a typo and I just did not catch it!
Wasn't, you spelled it everytime like that.
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Old 07-30-2006, 01:30 PM   #233
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Then I just dont catch it then.

I no how to spell Israel. I was very good in school and have a good education. I just type really fast and dont go back and correct mistakes or dont realize that I am making typos.
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Old 07-30-2006, 01:31 PM   #234
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Well as for this though.

What do you expect of Hezbollah. They are like all terrorist groups. Cowards!
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Old 07-30-2006, 03:21 PM   #235
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I knew the UN Council was full of sh*t, and this just proves my assumption that the United Nations as a viable organization are just plain worthless over there...
I agree that they are over there, but The U.N. Peace Keepers are not useless as a whole
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No but the UN is worthless. They UN is a failure and has not been able to do anything for years.
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The UN peacekeeprs are usefull when both sides dont want a conflict and to keep the peace.

Such as when Egypt and Israel disengaed from each other in the Sinai.

But when you have one side that wants war, doestn care if the UN is in the way...... well thats when the UN is impotant and unimportnat.
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There is a topic here that we see to be overlooking and that is at this point in the conflict the Israelis are not far off from getting there asses kicked by a well trained military force . The hezbollah has morphed from terrorism into a competent combat force this does not bode well for the Israelis as others will see that the Israelis are not a "super force" and emulate the Hezbollah but history tends to repeat itself as the Israelis were once the terrorists and gained their land via the terrorist route. Perhaps the UN is the solution in coming up with a partition of the lands among st the Palestinians and Israelis in a fair and equitable manner and not sequestering the Palestinians in Warsaw like ghettos . Could the US be wrong in the fact it tends to bend over backwards to help Israel or is US policy being dictated by campaign dollars from various interest groups.
I would like to state both sides have and continue to break the norms for warfare neither side can be considered the White Knight but we all should consider both sides of the story.
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I disagree PB - the Israelis are far from coming close to getting their @sses kicked. If it was no holes barred the Israelis would do to them like they did to the PLO in the 1980s, bomb Beirut into the stone age and smack Syria just for the hell if it, but they are attempting to do a surgical removal of these pukes while minimizing civilian losses. Fair and equatable manner is not in any radical musilium's vocabulary.
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Apparantly the US is grown tired of Israel now. Rice is heading back to Washington tomorrow and apparantly the Bush regime is tired of being ignored by the Israeli government. Atleast this is what I am getting from the news.

The news is not reliable though.
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