Israel Attacks Lebanon

[Erich]

Hezb........ was considered a terror organization when I was in Jerusalem and other parts of Israel back in 1980

[pbfoot]

After a little research I came up with some interesting info about terrorism here is a small excerpt from the book Crimes of War by Benny Morris

The bloodiest and most atrocity-ridden of these wars was, without doubt, the 1948 war of independence, which began, from November 1947 to May 1948, as a civil/guerrilla war between Palestine’s thoroughly intermixed Arab and Jewish communities, but ended, from May 1948 to January 1949, as a conventional war between the invading Arab States’ armies and the newborn State of Israel. The fact that the Arabs had launched the war—the Palestinian Arabs in November–December 1947 and the Arab States in May 1948—and that the war was protracted and extremely costly for the Jews (who lost six thousand dead, or 1 percent of a total population of 650,000) only exacerbated anger toward the Arabs and heightened the propensity to commit atrocities. The willingness to commit atrocities on each side was also fed by reports—sometimes accurate, sometimes fantastic—of atrocities committed by the other side; retaliation was a frequent motive for Arabs and Israelis alike.

Two out of the three massacres committed by Arabs against Jews during the 1948 war were triggered by Jewish atrocities against Arabs. On December 30, 1947, Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organization, or IZL) terrorists threw a bomb at an Arab bus stop at the entrance to the Haifa Oil Refinery outside Haifa. Half a dozen Arabs were killed, and more were injured. The Arab workers inside the refinery immediately retaliated by turning on their Jewish coworkers with knives, crowbars, and sticks, killing thirty-nine of them. (In turn, the Haganah responded on the night of December 31 by raiding the nearby Arab village of Balad ash Sheikh, where many of the workers lived, blowing up several dozen houses and killing about sixty Arabs.)

Similarly, the Arab irregulars’ attack on the convoy of doctors, nurses, students, and Haganah militiamen making its way through East Jerusalem to Mount Scopus (the Mount Scopus Convoy) on April 13 was also a retaliation for the assault by Jewish (IZL-Lehi-Haganah) troops on the Arab village of Deir Yassin, just west of Jerusalem, on April 9, 1948, in which about one hundred villagers were killed during the fighting or just afterward.

The third and largest Arab atrocity of the war, the massacre by irregulars of dozens of surrendering Haganah troops, including some twenty women, at Kfar Etzion in the Etzion Bloc of settlements just north of Hebron, on May 13, was unprovoked by any immediate Jewish attack or atrocity.

But overall, the Jewish forces—Haganah, IZL, Lehi (Lohamei Herut Yisrael, or Freedom Fighters of Israel, or “Stern Gang,” as the British authorities called them), and IDF—committed far more atrocities in 1948 than did Arab forces, if only because they were in a far better position to do so.

[syscom3]

that was 60 years ago.

What does it have to do with events of the past few years?

[Marshall_Stack]

You don't see the Israelis parading joyfully in the streets after they kill innocent civilians. The Arabs will celebrate when a Jewish bus gets blown up...

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Marshall_Stack

You don't see the Israelis parading joyfully in the streets after they kill innocent civilians. The Arabs will celebrate when a Jewish bus gets blown up...

No I agree the Israelis have a little more tact but it is a different world there and they think differently .I am playing a bit of the devils advocate there are always 2 sides to any story and I think the Palestinians woes get overlooked by the western media if there is a terrorist act by the Hamas its in the news for days meanwhile a family of 11 on beach gets turned into pink mist by Israeli artillery and its forgotten by the next day.

[syscom3]

The palestinian is one story.

Missed opportunities for a just peace, year after year after year.

[Gnomey]

Israel widens the ground offensive against Lebanon and ruled out a truce. Looks like they are going to go after Hezbollah and hopefully put an end to their attacks on Israel from Lebanon.

BBC NEWS | In Depth | Israel to widen ground offensive

[pbfoot]

I really think we are stuck with this chancre sore of region for a long time until both sides meet each other with realistic goals which means acceptance of each other and the giving and taking land that will allow both nations to prosper. The only way that will occur is if they actually duke it out with no outside influences or supplies

[Erich]

there will be no peace in the mid-east ..............

I still await the aggressive nature of Iran and Syria, Egypt and Saudia Arabia. The pieces are being slowly set into motion

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[syscom3]

Syria is placing its forces on a higher alert.

Plus I read somewhere that they will not look kindly on any UN force with a mandate to disarm or control Hezbollah. (this could be a propaganda piece, so I'm withholding judgement on it).

This is like 1914 all over again. The world slowly drifts off to war.

[plan_D]

1914? Are you kidding me? The Great War was started with the shifting of Great world powers shifting and squirming. The Middle-East is hardly ripe with great powers. This will be a localised war.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

No I agree the Israelis have a little more tact but it is a different world there and they think differently .I am playing a bit of the devils advocate there are always 2 sides to any story and I think the Palestinians woes get overlooked by the western media if there is a terrorist act by the Hamas its in the news for days meanwhile a family of 11 on beach gets turned into pink mist by Israeli artillery and its forgotten by the next day.

I disagree and for this reason. The terrorist organizations and the radical arab states kill innocent civlians out of policy to cause terror and fear. They are savages. Isreal does not make policy out of it to kill innocents.

I went to the Hezbollah official website out there (yes it exists) just to read up on what they have to say and I almost puked.

In there official polices it said that they wanted to creat a state where people from all over the world can live with freedom of religion and speech until (key word: until) they can all learn to live under Islam.

Live under Islam my ***! I would rather kill my unborn child than have that.

[plan_D]

I would like everyone to live in a world where they can worship who they want and love who they want. Just as long as they worship me and love me.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

[Pisis]

This is the main difference between Israel and the so-called "Arab freedom fighters", just like in Qana...