Israel Attacks Lebanon

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by delcyros

No. It will not be over in few weeks.

No in a couple of weeks there will be a ceasefire brokered by western nations. There will also probably be a small peace keeping force put in place.

Does this mean that it is an end to the whole Middle East crisis? Absolutely not. It will start up again and again and again as it allways does because the Middle East as a whole is the butt crack of the world.

[Lunatic]

Isn't it amazing how you can go somewhere and get things in order and then when you leave all ****ing hell breaks loose?

You're right Adler - the Mid-East is a **** hole and there will be no peace there in our lifetimes. The situation is what it is.

It is unfortunate that the Jews had to choose to setup their state in the mid-east. This creates an impossible situation. The fact is that it is only a matter of time before WMD's (probably bio weapons) are used and then all hell will probably break loose in a big way.

[timshatz]

Gotta agree with Lunatic (He may be crazy but he ain't stupid), the short term prognosis is something ugly in a biologic/chemical/nuclear way will happen. Give it the next ten years and something has to pop. They're getting their orders from God (or Tehran), infidel opinions like ours don't count.

Long term, Israel is in it deep. Their population is not expanding to any great extent (if at all) while the surrounding countries are mulitiplying like insects. One of the reasons there is no right of return for the Palestinians is they would eventually outnumber the Jews. People in Israel will probably get tired of getting shot at (sooner or later) and start to leave. Just figure it ain't worth it and head out to some Western Country. It's inevitable. Plenty of Western enclaves have been tried in the Middle East as far back as the Crusades and they all fail.

Sad to say but the odds are against Israel.

[plan_D]

The odds have always been against Israel, and they've won every time. It'd be better to take the fight to the Arabs than let them multiply to even larger threat. Hopefully this recent assault will build up to a steam roller across the Mid-East.

[Erich]

my feeling is that you guys are all right, you're going around the corners but you're there.

Israel has always known it's in deep dung surrounded by folk that want them terminated. the Muslims will rise in time and try to stomp her but will fail. A good chance the Soviets and China will be involved and maybe not on the same side either, there is much to gain by taking over the Muslim nations in friendship and sucking them bloody dry of their rich natural resources. China and Putins band of thugs don't give a hoot about Israel but they want what is in the ground, good enough to support the Muslim terror/folk in their quest for mideast domination by supplying them with any weapon of choice and the manpower to teach them how to use it. Let the Muslims get killed off along with the Jews and slowly roll in with your oil tankers in the wasteland.

The Israelis will never go back to the west they will stay until they are no more ........... there is much yet to happen before a complete cry of ww3 comes about. The Media is spoofing us

[kilahchris]

my first and last post on this topic.

The United States of America needs to remain strong, fair and balanced when it comes on to Foreign policy.

For many many years we have not been fair and balanced it when it comes on to MidEast foriegn policy.

The arabic nations see the billions of US dollars pumped into Israel's military. They see those same US weapons destroy innocent women and children on the street of Lebanon. This is what fuels the rage in these people.

They see United States support of Israels Nuclear efforts, and on the second hand are condemn in developing Nukes for their own defense.

They see idiots like George Bush come on national tv and call and entire nation evil.

The US constant condemnation and name calling, That they are evil and terrorist and Israel is only a peaceful country trying to defend herself.

What country on earth bombs an entire city over 4 or 5 kidnapped soldiers. What ever happened to diplomacy first , military action second. Not even the US will partake in such an action.


Israel is mistaken if they believe the soldiers will be returned at this point.

This is analogous to using a Sledge hammer to kill roaches.

No one on this forum once mentioned the innocennt children killed on the streets of lebanon.

I guess there guilty for not living under democracy ????
or being christian???

Israel may win the battle, but the fuel that ignites the Islamic rage will never die ever!!!

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by kilahchris

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The arabic nations see the billions of US dollars pumped into Israel's military. They see those same US weapons destroy innocent women and children on the street of Lebanon. This is what fuels the rage in these people.

And the same arab govts spend billions of petro dollars to subsidize the Palestinians.

They see United States support of Israels Nuclear efforts, and on the second hand are condemn in developing Nukes for their own defense.

Israel isnt the one threating to use nukes to wipe other arab countries off the map

They see idiots like George Bush come on national tv and call and entire nation evil...

Can you give us some examples of Bush being an idiot?

The US constant condemnation and name calling, That they are evil and terrorist and Israel is only a peaceful country trying to defend herself.

Israel is the one being attacked. Israel is the one that is unilaterally withdrawing to its borders and its the palestinians who are war mongering right now.

What country on earth bombs an entire city over 4 or 5 kidnapped soldiers. What ever happened to diplomacy first , military action second. Not even the US will partake in such an action.

This should have been done decaders ago. Where ever a terror group goes, hell should follow them till theyre exterminated.

Israel is mistaken if they believe the soldiers will be returned at this point.

True

This is analogous to using a Sledge hammer to kill roaches.

And theyre dead cockroaches, arent they. If the Lebanese want to tolerate Hezbollah within their borders, then they shall pay a very dear price.

No one on this forum once mentioned the innocennt children killed on the streets of lebanon.

Youre forgetting who started this battle. It wasnt Israeli soldiers crossing the border to kidnap lebanese soldiers.

I guess there guilty for not living under democracy ????
or being christian???

They are unfortunatley paying the price for what Syria and Iran want. Do you really think they shed any tears when a civilian is killed?

Israel may win the battle, but the fuel that ignites the Islamic rage will never die ever!!!

Wrong. many arab govts have simply stopped caring about Hamas and Hezbollah because all they want is war.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by kilahchris

my first and last post on this topic.

The United States of America needs to remain strong, fair and balanced when it comes on to Foreign policy.

For many many years we have not been fair and balanced it when it comes on to MidEast foriegn policy.

The arabic nations see the billions of US dollars pumped into Israel's military. They see those same US weapons destroy innocent women and children on the street of Lebanon. This is what fuels the rage in these people.

They see United States support of Israels Nuclear efforts, and on the second hand are condemn in developing Nukes for their own defense.

They see idiots like George Bush come on national tv and call and entire nation evil.

The US constant condemnation and name calling, That they are evil and terrorist and Israel is only a peaceful country trying to defend herself.

What country on earth bombs an entire city over 4 or 5 kidnapped soldiers. What ever happened to diplomacy first , military action second. Not even the US will partake in such an action.


Israel is mistaken if they believe the soldiers will be returned at this point.

This is analogous to using a Sledge hammer to kill roaches.

No one on this forum once mentioned the innocennt children killed on the streets of lebanon.

I guess there guilty for not living under democracy ????
or being christian???

Israel may win the battle, but the fuel that ignites the Islamic rage will never die ever!!!

I am not even going to respond to 90% of this post. The person obviously has no clue what is going on over there and has never been there to see what is going on.

I will comment on one part though and that is:

[quote]No one on this forum once mentioned the innocennt children killed on the streets of lebanon.[/group]

Have you seen the innocent children, women, old people, and just plain people wanting to carry on with there lives that they the arabs have torturedand killed.... I have. It goes both ways, so you one sided anti everything ****ing post up there holds no weight.

[evangilder]

One cannot compare the culture of the US with the culture in the Middle East. Things do not work the same. What Americans see as a gesture of good faith, people of the Middle East see as weakness. The tit for tat battles and calls for revenge run deep, and in some cases hundreds of years. It makes the Hatfields and McCoys seem like child's play.

If you have not been to the Middle East and witnessed the culture and the way that they are, you have no understanding. If you don't understand it, then you sure as hell cannot make a determination of what is wrong or how to fix it.

[kilahchris]

[quote=DerAdlerIstGelandet]I am not even going to respond to 90% of this post. The person obviously has no clue what is going on over there and has never been there to see what is going on.

I will comment on one part though and that is:

No one on this forum once mentioned the innocent children killed on the streets of lebanon.[/group]

Have you seen the innocent children, women, old people, and just plain people wanting to carry on with there lives that they the arabs have torturedand killed.... I have. It goes both ways, so you one sided anti everything ****ing post up there holds no weight.

please speak english coherently.
I will attempt to try to understand your babble.


Any moron can see and know that innocent children were killed in the air raids.

Not all arabic people are responsible for the murders and tortures of innocent people. So do not lump an entire people into one group.

No one is born inherently evil contrary to popular thought expressed in this thread.

Just like not all jews are responsible for the killing of innocent arabs.

Why should a 5 year old child playing in the street of lebanon pay the price for what Hezbollah or any terrorist organization does.???

even children know 2 wrongs dont make a right.

Why is there a total disregard for innocence and life????

Its dis- gusting how Islam is labeled as an evil entity, and all the people in Lebanon, Iran, Iraq are general seen as evil. This is the problem. The core of the problem is our perception of Islam and the arabic countries of the world.

We lumped every individual that lives there into one group. Evil terrorist fanatical group.


I know perfectly what is going on there.

Terrorism has existed for a long time. And they are ways to deal with it.

If you had an insect problem inside your house. You would not take a sledgehammer to destroy everything in you house while attempting to kill that insect.

Israel is not dealing with it the right way. And she will soon realize why.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by kilahchris

please speak english coherently.
I will attempt to try to understand your babble.

I speak english just fine meatball! Your working on making your stay here very short.

Originally Posted by kilachris

Any moron can see and know that innocent children were killed in the air raids.

And the damn terrorists over there kill innocent women and children on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by kilachris

Not all arabic people are responsible for the murders and tortures of innocent people. So do not lump an entire people into one group.

Never said they were, dont put words in my mouth!

Originally Posted by kilachris

Why should a 5 year old child playing in the street of lebanon pay the price for what Hezbollah or any terrorist organization does.???

Why should a 5 year old playing in the street of Hiafa pay die because Hezbollah sees it fit to fire rockets into the city?

Originally Posted by kilachris

Its dis- gusting how Islam is labeled as an evil entity, and all the people in Lebanon, Iran, Iraq are general seen as evil. This is the problem. The core of the problem is our perception of Islam and the arabic countries of the world.

No my perception is based off of my experiences living in the middle east. Ive delt with the people daily!

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by kilahchris

No one on this forum once mentioned the innocennt children killed on the streets of lebanon.

Tell that to the family of the two Arab children killed in Nazareth by Hezbollah rockets....

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Exactly.

[kilahchris]

No my perception is based off of my experiences living in the middle east. Ive delt with the people daily!

You said you lived there. however your experience with arabs however doesnt reflect the thoughts, ideas and ambitions of the Arabic people on a whole. They are not all killers, terrorist, and they do not all want to see the fall of Israel.




They are proactive ways to fight terrorism

Leveling an entire city is not one of them.

Wasting artillery on innocent people is also not one of them.

A total disregard for the damage done also doesnt help.


Just food for thought.

This is not the first time Israel has conducted these covert bombings.
Have they stopped terrorism??? The answer is no??

Have they atleast quelled the resistance put up by hezbollah, hamas, or AL Queada.

The answer is no.

Those groups are stronger than ever, more united than ever, and see the U.S as a co-conspirator to rid them from the face of the earth.

Terrorism has not weakened do not be fooled.

We have not been attacked since 9/11, thats a great thing.
But United States will forever have to pour billions of dollars, lose soldiers, and live in constant fear of the next big attack.

All due to our horrible foriegn policy in the MIDEAST.

[Erich]

question bud have you ever been to the mideast ? curious. Several of us have and served over there ......... we've seen the chaotic mess first hand plus having bullets thrown in our face

for your info the bargaining table doesn't work in the mideast crisis going on for over a 1000 years