Israel Attacks Lebanon

[Hunter368]

kilahchris,

You should be careful how you talk to people here b/c its obvious that you have an opinion that you want to get across but if you continue to talk to people here like you have you will get banned. Please refrain from being rude, if you talk civilly then people will talk to you politely also.

I agree with some of what you say, but again talk the way you are currently and no one will here your comments. Its always interesting hearing different opinions wether you agree with them or not.

Just deliver it in a different manner. I hope you do stay for awhile.

[Gnomey]

Where is Les when you need him...

Anyway I would agree with the counter points made by Erich, Chris and Joe (especially the last comment by Joe). These things go both ways and have done for years and it is unlikely to end in a nice pretty peace settlement, it will likely be ugly.

[Erich]

furthermore why does the term Arabs come into play here in this thread ? think some of you guys need a real life geography lesson. Syrians, Iranians, Lebanese are not Arabs or Palestinians. Each of these peoples are proud of their heritage and to continue this thread lets do so with this in mind please ........

[Hunter368]

kilahchris,

I agree with you that shooting and killing them will never solve anything. Hell if that happened in my country it will just spur me on more, like perhaps it does them.

Is all Islam evil.........hell no. Just the radical priests that preach and stir up trouble. Islam has to moderins and stop living like they did hundreds of years ago. People change, world changes, beliefs change, they need to change also.

What is the magic solution? I have no freaking idea. As the last however many hundreds of years there has been trouble there obviously no one else has come up with the magic solution either.

So what is your magic solution to deal with the Middle East problem?

So what is your magic solution to deal with terrorism?

What the USA and the rest of the world is doing to fight terror and or deal with Middle East problem is not the best solution....fine I agree.

But its all too easy to be the Devil's advocate and offer simple criticism and NO solutions. Step up and lets hear your solutions. I want to hear them, I truly do.

[kilahchris]

question bud have you ever been to the mideast ? curious. Several of us have and served over there ......... we've seen the chaotic mess first hand plus having bullets thrown in our face

for your info the bargaining table doesn't work in the mideast crisis going on for over a 1000 years

You made a great point!

A crisis that have been going on for 1000 of years.
Something that will never change!!!!

Being a soldier do you think their crisis is worth losing your life over?


I served on the USS Oak Hill. My ship was stationed near Malaysia in 98 and in Red Sea 2000.
No i have not seen any bullets in my face.


But that still doesnt change the fact that Israel is fighting this thing wrong.

what makes You think we (U.S) can destroy terrorism.
What makes You think we (U.S) can bring peace to the middle east.
what makes You think we can convert countries who have never been democratic to be a democracy.

We have so many issues within our own borders.
So many domestic problems.


My cousin lost his life in a similar manner in South Vietnam. That piece of $$$$ place.

Over bad foreign policy.

my philosophy is anything that is to be done in life is too have the desired result.


All of israel efforts so far have been futile.
All of United States efforts to control the middle east and promote democracy have been futile.

Therefore if a plan is failing you must know when to pull out. Leave it alone.



Do you think it worth losing your life over....
losing you life over bad foreign policy...

whether you have been in the middle east or not. Anyone with a brain knows that Terrorism will be an eternal enemy to the U.S and the nations abroad.

I had a brief stint in the Navy, before i became Ill. But you dont need bullets flying at you to realize the whole situation.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by kilahchris

We have not been attacked since 9/11, thats a great thing.
But United States will forever have to pour billions of dollars, lose soldiers, and live in constant fear of the next big attack.

All due to our horrible foriegn policy in the MIDEAST.

I am part of this so called horrible foriegn policy. I have seen the good and the bad from the Arabs.

Dont fricken tell me what it is like over there. I have lived it. I have watched people die. I have fought over there. My feelings are based off what I have seen and what I have delt with. Dont tell me how to feel, or what to believe in.

Because of what me and my fellow service members do, gives you the right to complain about your governments policies!

WAS THAT ENGLISH COHERENT ENEOGH FOR YOU?

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by Gnomey

Where is Les when you need him...

Anyway I would agree with the counter points made by Erich, Chris and Joe (especially the last comment by Joe). These things go both ways and have done for years and it is unlikely to end in a nice pretty peace settlement, it will likely be ugly.

Gnomey,

While I have been wondering where Dan is also, I want to hear what this guy has to say. If Dan comes here (and he will) nothing will happen other than Dan kicking this guy to the curb.

I want to hear what his magic solutions are. Lets see if he can back up what he says or if he is just taking the easy road, aka Devil's advocate with no solutions.

Anyone can sit there and say what everyone is doing wrong. But lets see you do better or at least come up with some REAL ideas other than just criticizing.

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by kilahchris

You made a great point!

A crisis that have been going on for 1000 of years.
Something that will never change!!!!

Being a soldier do you think their crisis is worth losing your life over?


I served on the USS Oak Hill. My ship was stationed near Malaysia in 98 and in Red Sea 2000.
No i have not seen any bullets in my face.


But that still doesnt change the fact that Israel is fighting this thing wrong.

what makes You think we (U.S) can destroy terrorism.
What makes You think we (U.S) can bring peace to the middle east.
what makes You think we can convert countries who have never been democratic to be a democracy.

We have so many issues within our own borders.
So many domestic problems.


My cousin lost his life in a similar manner in South Vietnam. That piece of $$$$ place.

Over bad foreign policy.

my philosophy is anything that is to be done in life is too have the desired result.


All of israel efforts so far have been futile.
All of United States efforts to control the middle east and promote democracy have been futile.

Therefore if a plan is failing you must know when to pull out. Leave it alone.



Do you think it worth losing your life over....
losing you life over bad foreign policy...

whether you have been in the middle east or not. Anyone with a brain knows that Terrorism will be an eternal enemy to the U.S and the nations abroad.

I had a brief stint in the Navy, before i became Ill. But you dont need bullets flying at you to realize the whole situation.

Thats all fine and good but what is your plan to fix terrorism and the Middle East? Bury our heads in the sand and pretend its not happening?

Lets hear your plan? Tell us your blessed plan.

[Erich]

and you just answered your questions, get out and leave it alone. It is about israel defending itself and not us defending ourselves at this particualr point in time though the fools hezballoh are responsible for over 200 of our men dying, seems term enough to get involved personally.

Don't get on me about Nam I know it all too well..........

I've talked with the Muslims first hand and tried dearly to come to some settlement(s) with both the Jews and Phillistines, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians.

the probem which I have mentioned more than once on earlier threads......we think like the west and they do not, they have their own adjenda and that is not diplomacy but with a gun, and it's not just the country of Israel.

Who said anything about the US bringing down terrorism ? we've known about the problems in the mideast sicne 1948 and before, this is nothing new, just a new breed of young un-educated thinkers that have never set foot over there let alone talked with any from both sides.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I have no problem with the guy speaking, but he is not going to preach to me what he thinks I have to believe.

[Gnomey]

The way I see it they are going to have to sort out amount themselves because the UN resolutions regarding the area have all while being passed not made any difference to the situation in the area. Until all the sides in the area can agree on one thing (which they won't or are unlikely to until one or other of them - or both - is no more). Peace will be very hard to come by in the Middle East because of the fact that the people living their disliked loosing their land to the Israeli's in the aftermath of WW2, until they stopping seeing the Israeli's as occupiers there will (in my opinion) be no peace in the Middle East.

[kilahchris]

But its all too easy to be the Devil's advocate and offer simple criticism and NO solutions. Step up and lets hear your solutions. I want to hear them, I truly do.

I thought you would never ask.


If i was president today.

100 Billion dollars will go into Intelligence agencies alone.
Because we obviously do not know where the enemy is. IF we did I 9/11 and many other terrorist attacks would not of happened.

The money will be for the recruitment of Arabic spies
Improvement of all technologies that will exist to weed out terrorist.


We will offer countries like Iran, Syria, billions of dollars to establish U.S army bases there. This we be done through tactful diplomacy and money. The money will make those govts agree. This might take years, but the price will be well paid and worth it.

give them more monetary incentives to weed out suspected terrorist in their own countries. (instead of giving up like George W and calling them evil). This will be based on results first.

Respect there govt and assure them we are not trying to convert them to democracy we are only try to protect their people and our people at the same time.


instead of 25 million dollar reward for Bin Laden. How about 200 million and the protection of the US. It might not make a difference but it will go a long way.



Every aspect of teh CIA will change. Up to date computer, equipment. Better intelligence gatherin, a department just for the coordination of all information amongst the other intelligence agencies in the world.


Money will be spent in Research and Development in the ultimate weapon that can destroy Nuclear missles from abroad.


Money will be spent into recruiting young arabic men into joining out CIA for the benefit of their country and thier families.

They must infiltrate terrorist organizations in order for our efforts to be successfull.


I will continue my plan later. I am strapped for time.

[Erich]

Gnomey think about it, has Israel ever felt accountable to the UN or anyone ? Of course the Muslim Hezballoh, Hamas, Syrians and Iranians ar all crying out .......... stop, stop to the UN. The UN is a piece of **** organization in this day and age, run by corrupt dealers in deceit. Look at the head honch Kofi, he should be strung up, better yet give him a bullet proof vest and put him in the lines

[Hunter368]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I have no problem with the guy speaking, but he is not going to preach to me what he thinks I have to believe.

I believed much like he did when I first started here if you remember Chris. Then with talking to you, Eric, Erich, Joe and Dan you guys made me realize its much deeper than 1+1=2 (not to mention a few heated words between me and all of you, I took the heat and stayed, still laugh at that). But I saw what you were all saying, understood it. Now lets see if he is man enough to take the heat or will he bail out and leave. Damn Dan is not even here yet, its not even hot........yet.

Now what I want to hear from him is his magic answers. Lets hear them.

[Erich]

sorry Kila but you don't get my vote. right, we are going to set up bases in Syria and Iran. you're still thinking like a young uninformed westerner

hells bells they don't want our frickin money they want us DEAD !