Israel and Palestine

ariel81 · 08-13-2005, 07:44 PM

sorry,but that's lot more tha some obscure proffesor in some web,who may or may noteven exist
but of course,you prefer those,because they say to you what you like yo hear

antisemitic people like you make me laugh ,you are so desperate and stupid that you and your friends hang on every stupid think to trie to discredit us,really pathetic

ariel81 · 08-13-2005, 07:46 PM

sorry,but those are recongnised people,with recognised wisdom,and known to everione

(sorry for my bad english

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plan_D · 08-13-2005, 07:51 PM

Anti-semetic people like me? My word, the race card is put down on the table once again. I would say people like you make me laugh but you really don't. You hide behind "facts" and smear the names of known scientists and professors because you don't want your beliefs shattered by the real facts.

And Pisis, you'd support any Jewish nation. So, you'd support a Jewish military conquest of all nations on the planet because it could all be one Jewish state.

All the National Socialists were trying to do was create a home for National Socialists. Where's the trouble in that? Hypocritical to the dying days.

Now, both of you, put that race card back in your pocket for the next time you come across someone that might shatter your whole livelihood with something that goes against your beliefs. A closed mind is a blind mind...need an optician?

I'll leave it at that. Believe what you want, it doesn't affect my life whatsoever.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel81

sorry,but that's lot more tha some obscure proffesor in some web,who may or may noteven exist
but of course,you prefer those,because they say to you what you like yo hear

No I believe what I think is the truth, and read you own words up there. You said that we hear what we like to hear. Isn't that what you do also? I think so.

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Originally Posted by ariel81

antisemitic people like you make me laugh ,you are so desperate and stupid that you and your friends hang on every stupid think to trie to discredit us,really pathetic

And you see this is what I dont like. I never said that your religion was wrong. So are you saying that because I am not jewish that I am desperate and stupid? I think that is what you said. As a matter of fact I believe in my god. I am a Lutheran Protestant. So why am I wrong, why am I antisemetic. Because I dont believe in your religion. OH my god I can not believe you just said that.

Pisis · 08-13-2005, 07:52 PM

No, he's not antisemtic, plan_D is just top angle rationalist, am I right plan? I have a Jewish friend who's just like that.

And gentleman, just to remind. There is an old Czech proverb. When two are fighting, the third is laughing:

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 07:54 PM

Nice pic there Pisis. I agree with you on that. I just dont like being told that my beliefs are wrong because I am not jewish. Aerial81 is a real hardliner here, very right wing.

Pisis · 08-13-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

And Pisis, you'd support any Jewish nation. So, you'd support a Jewish military conquest of all nations on the planet because it could all be one Jewish state.

Quoite a sharp discussion. Never say that. What I wanted to say is that after what happened in WWII and based on the facts (which you obviously like to argument with) the SI has a legitimate law for existence. Palestinian state has also a legitimate law for existence, even it is not their land. Each nation has a law for self-definition. I'm not a far-righter anyhow!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 08:00 PM

I somewhat agree with you Pisis. I however believe that as you said Palestine as a legitimate right for there own state. I also believe that Isreal has the right to defend itself from palestinian terror groups. I just dont think the both sides are going about it the right way.

ariel81 · 08-13-2005, 08:01 PM

,my comment about being anthisemitic it wasnt for you adler,it was for plan d,and what y wrothe is straigth from their book,you can buy it if you want

sorry plan d,but those 2 guys are lot more famous and proffesionals than those guys in the web,who,i repeat,may or may not even exist

again,sorry for mi lousy english,im doing my best

plan_D · 08-13-2005, 08:02 PM

I'm not arguing that the Israeli state shouldn't exist, I'm saying the Palestinians are well within their rights to defend themselves. The only problem I have is the U.S infatuation with Israel, after all it is a U.S creation.

The ancient history of the area is of interest to me and many. The Bible is no better than the stories of mythology. They may have happened but it must be remembered that they are stories, just like the Siege of Troy. It actually happened but not for Helena and was not won with a Trojan Horse.

Pisis · 08-13-2005, 08:02 PM

Adler,

as I said on the beginning of this topic (or maybe it was somewhere else) I agree with every religion, Lutheranism is also sympathic to me. Beleiving people are obviously much likely to have self-harmony (if not dumbasses, every orthodoxy is crazy though

.....). I have a lot of friends among the Protestants.

And I also think that Ariel's arguments go out cause his native language isn't English. I have also sometimes problems to explain what I mean. In thes etypes of conversation it is obviously very important to talk very accurate.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 08:05 PM

I agree pisis, I too believe in Freedom of Religion. And in that I do not denounce other peoples religions and make them out to be non believers.

Pisis · 08-13-2005, 08:06 PM

Geeeeeez plan, Israeli's existence isn't based on Torah! It's based on Zionsim. If you like so much the battling with facts, you should know that the most Ultra Orthodox groups of Jews don't recognize Israel as a state and are for Palestinains...

please separate 1) Israel and 2) Torah - two different things!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 08:08 PM

That I did not know, that the most orthadox are for the palestinians.

ariel81 · 08-13-2005, 08:09 PM

adlker my comment about being anthisemic it wasnt directed to you,y dont think that you are an antisemitic like plan d

israel us cration??proof please!!and here,the lackeys,and ass kissers of the americans is your country,not israel.you are nor living under the germans rigth now because of the usa