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12-14-2005, 02:22 PM
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#1 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Jane Fonda: U.S. Troops Are 'Killing Machines' Quote:
"Hanoi Jane" Fonda is claiming that ever since Vietnam, U.S. troops have been trained to commit atrocities against innocent civilians as a matter of military policy.
"Starting with the Vietnam War we began training soldiers differently," the anti-American actress says in an email to the Washington Post.
Fonda claims she learned of the policy switch in "secret meetings" she had with military psychologists "who were really worried about what was happening to our combat personnel."
One doctor, she insists, told her U.S. troops had been deliberately trained to be "killing machines."
"This began," Fonda maintained, "because the military discovered that in World War II and Korea, [U.S.] soldiers weren't killing enough."
"So they changed training procedures" to teach troops how to commit atrocities.
Still, the anti-war gadfly cautions, it's important not to blame the soldiers themselves for carrying out war crimes.
Recalling the "Winter Soldier" hearings that she and John Kerry staged in 1971, Fonda lamented: "When you put young people into an atrocity-producing situation where enemy and civilian are commingled, where the 'other side' is dehumanized, we cannot be surprised."
Anti-war vets now returning from Iraq, Fonda cautioned, should be listened to instead of being dismissed as "unpatriotic."
"We have not learned the lessons of Vietnam," she declared.
| http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...3/234848.shtml
Someone put a muzzle on this bitch!
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12-14-2005, 02:29 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| Shes an unrepentant marxist
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12-14-2005, 02:48 PM
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#3 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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12-14-2005, 02:49 PM
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| So the young learn communists are patient and liars naturaly In a speech to Duke University students in 1970, Fonda told the gathering, "If you understood what Communism was, you would hope and pray on your knees that we would someday become Communist."
Fonda was the major financial support to one of the most damaging pro-Hanoi groups called Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), which was led for a time by Robert Muller, a Vietnam veteran who had been shot in the spine. VVAW, at its peak membership, mustered about 7,000, some of whom had been indoctrinated in the "Coffee Houses." That organization was later led by Vietnam vet John Kerry, now a U.S. senator and former co-chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs.
At a time when 50,000 U.S. servicemen had already died on the battlefields of Vietnam, Fonda sided with the communists, making radio broadcasts from Hanoi designed to break the morale of U.S. fighting forces while encouraging the North Vietnamese to fight harder and kill more Americans. Fonda's Hanoi radio broadcasts and propaganda films were especially painful and damaging to American servicemen held as prisoners of war by the Hanoi Reds. Communist interrogators used the Fonda recordings, along with starvation and torture in attempting to brainwash American POWs into becoming turncoats.
Upon returning to the United States, Fonda told the world press that U.S. prisoners of war were being well treated and not tortured. Her outrageous claims were later exposed when American POWs were finally freed and told of years of agonizing tortures and inhuman treatment. Fonda responded, not with an apology, but with an accusation calling our returned POWs "liars and hypocrites." Fonda's actions stirred up a firestorm in America, prompting nationwide demands that she be tried for treason. |
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12-14-2005, 04:47 PM
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| My oly suprise is that she hasn't taken the side of the North Koreans in claiming that they are leaders in world peace and take care of their people. |
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12-14-2005, 05:14 PM
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| please do not give the bitch new ideas, ok? |
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12-14-2005, 05:17 PM
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12-14-2005, 05:51 PM
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| The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement."
Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers "gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses." Mr. Tin surmised that "America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win." Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) said the 1968 Tet Offensive was a defeat.
The military defeat of North Vietnam after the Tet Offensive of 1968 became a political victory for North Vietnam because of anti-war demonstrations and the sensationalism of the news media. The North Vietnamese interpreted the U.S. reaction to these events as the weakening of America's resolve to win the war. The North Vietnamese believed that victory could be theirs, if they stayed their course
Now, am I wrong that the current political climate is not the same as it was during and after tyhe war with the SAME politcal tatics being used?
I believe American liberals are, either directly or indirectly, being supportors of the communist party within the USA and are actively working hand-in-hand with Islamic fascists the KILL the US and all in it....
We have two enemeies, communists inside the country and Islamic fascists outside, both want every man, woman and child within the US dead.... |
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12-14-2005, 05:53 PM
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#9 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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12-14-2005, 06:09 PM
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#10 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | **** Jane Fonda...
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12-14-2005, 06:10 PM
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#11 | | the old Sage
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Country: | don't look now but she wants to visit China in the near future, I think she wants to train Chinese women to be clones of her |
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12-15-2005, 05:51 AM
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#12 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Well, then at least the US won't have to suffer alone. Man, how I hate that wench.
__________________ http://www.vg-photo.com Wherever their bones may lie, the courage of heroes is consecrated in the hearts and engraved in the history of the free. Lt Col Honner DSO MC, 39th Commander speaking of the dead from the battle of Kokoda. |
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12-16-2005, 05:02 PM
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#13 | | Der Crewchief
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12-16-2005, 05:34 PM
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#14 | | Minister of Whoopass
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12-16-2005, 05:45 PM
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#15 | | Der Crewchief
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