Kosovo Independence-- Good thing or a bad thing?

Matt308 · 02-17-2008, 11:44 AM

Sick Pb. Sick, but true.

Arsenal VG-33 · 02-17-2008, 12:26 PM

Far be it of me to deny that I do like seeing people very happy and proud at their newly formed national independence, I cannot help but have the feeling this is opening a can of worms which may trouble us in the future, and not necessarily in Kosova itself. Taiwan comes to mind.

Each region has it's own varying set of circumstances to be given or denied independence, whether justified or not. As I see it, it is highly idealistic, Wilsonian at that. The self-determination of a people who claim sovereignty through violence or mass immigration, political and cultural influence, or even through much higher birth rates, or perhaps a combination of the above. Is it on these basis that we grant independence, or is it solely through ancestral claims and mass victimization?

Wait until it happens to the US, how will we feel then? Don't say it can't happen either.

Having said that, Happy Independence Day Kosova. You used to be very poorly treated when you were a minority within the Serbian sphere. Now that you have become a nation, let's see how you treat the minorities within your new borders.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-17-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arsenal VG-33

Now that you have become a nation, let's see how you treat the minorities within your new borders.

That is what I am waiting to see as well.

I remember we took a 9mm from a child (rather young but I dont remember his age) in Kosovo who wanted to kill Serbs because they killed his family during the fighting in Kosovo.

He lived with his Grandparents now. He showed us the site where they were lined up with other people from the town and shot. Somewhere I have a picture of the towns memorial.

It is really tragic what has been happening in this region since as far back as anyone can remember.

I hope that this is a new beginning but I too fear that it could be the spark of new violence.

Until then I congratulate Kosovo on there new nation.

pbfoot · 02-17-2008, 12:39 PM

That area will never change

Arsenal VG-33 · 02-17-2008, 01:07 PM

On and off during the day i've been listening to radio broadcast from Europe, mainly BBC and RadioFrance. Latest reports are that the EU, UK, and the US will give recognition, the UN assembly to vote on the matter very soon (tomorrow?). Russia, Serbia, and some other countries are coming out saying they will opposed any recognition of Kosova. Clashes in Belgrade between Serb nationalists and riot police, US embassy there was pelted with rocks. Also, 2 grenades thrown at international buildings in Kosova (Mitrovica, in area of large Serbian population, now the minority).

Doubt there will be a shooting war, at least I hope not, but things are already flaring a little.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-17-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

That area will never change

Agreed

It has been this way for hundreds of years, it will be this way for another hundred.

joy17782 · 02-18-2008, 11:07 AM

well kosovo had too start somewhere , spain and russia dont like it owe , that region has been like that for hundreds of years , it wont change , there too much hatred there , but i just hope it dont get worse, but remember we had too do the same thing for are country , so its a good start .everyone deserves freedom and rights.

Milos Sijacki · 02-21-2008, 01:28 PM

Hello again, sorry for not being able to write, been changing my internet provider. What will happen next, who knows. All I know is that many minor nations will copy Kosovo and want their own independence. I say again, you can't blame Serbian people for the crimes of the mafia and their leaders that are noe revered as heroes by some in my country. HEROES, those murderers and rapists??? Idiots!!!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-21-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Milos Sijacki

All I know is that many minor nations will copy Kosovo and want their own independence.

Is that a bad thing? Do people not deserve freedom?

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Originally Posted by Milos Sijacki

I say again, you can't blame Serbian people for the crimes of the mafia and their leaders that are noe revered as heroes by some in my country. HEROES, those murderers and rapists??? Idiots!!!

And you can not blame NATO for the suffering your people went though. It was the fault of your own government.

Look at what happened to the US Embassy in Belgrad today...

comiso90 · 02-21-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Agreed

It has been this way for hundreds of years, it will be this way for another hundred.

a thousand years... just like Iraq.

ccheese · 02-21-2008, 02:06 PM

CNN reported, today, on the riots in Belgrade. The rioters set fire to the
US Embassy, because the US is supporting the independence of Kosovo.
The Embassy was closed, so there were no US injuries.

Charles

DBII · 02-21-2008, 05:27 PM

PDfoot, Is that a new siggy? I like it.

Sorry but I do not know much about this issue. I do know that I was still in the Army when the US sent troops in. I read the US Army AAR from the 40's about what WWII in the area. I felt like that it was an EU issue. I was also worried about the number of troops that we would loss. Look like I was wrong about that part.

I do not think that we should be stepping in everywhere. To me this is much like the middle east. The problem goes back to far and the hate has been institutionalized. I hope that the new country works out well for all parties.

DBII

evangilder · 02-21-2008, 05:52 PM

I am horribly disappointed with what happened today in Belgrade. After the embassy was stoned and then boarded up and closed because of it a day or 2 ago, there was NO security to be found near the embassy when it was ransacked and burned today. Is this an example of what we can expect going forward?

I believe that the Kosavars deserve and should have independence. But I see a stormy and violent start to their independence.

freebird · 02-22-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Personally I think it's a regional problem that should be decided by those in the region. When any form of genocide is undertaken that's when it becomes an international problem.

Problem is when there is a powerful neighbor, it might "decide" whats best for the region. This was the attitude of many in America in 1938, {and some in the UK too} its a problem between the Czechs, Poles & Germans, let them "sort it out" by themselves.

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Is that a bad thing? Do people not deserve freedom?

Do you support any "minor nation" that declares independance?

All hail the "Berkeley United Radical Peoples" Socialist Soviet Republic {the BURP S.S.R.}

But seriously, I hope that NATO supports the new republic, I hope we don't wimp out like we did in Bosnia

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-22-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by freebird

Do you support any "minor nation" that declares independance?

All hail the "Berkeley United Radical Peoples" Socialist Soviet Republic {the BURP S.S.R.}

But seriously, I hope that NATO supports the new republic, I hope we don't wimp out like we did in Bosnia

Obviously I am talking about legit nations.