Kosovo Independence-- Good thing or a bad thing?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-10-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AVRoe

Milos Sijacki. I respect & have a lot of admiration for your people. I drive to Bulgaria three times a year & stop over night in Serbia. Religion has a big part to play in this conflict,same as any war. The west should stay out of SLAV Affairs. People say the Balkans thats like saying the ALPS or the Rockeys. Do`nt mess in what you do´nt understand,

So we should just let them slaughter each other? Yeah okay...

mkloby · 03-10-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

So we should just let them slaughter each other? Yeah okay...

You are right on with that Adler. I don't understand how people can argue that we should've just allowed that to go on.

freebird · 03-10-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

So we should just let them slaughter each other? Yeah okay...

Thanks for making a post that makes sense DerAdler.

There were people in 1939-1940 that said we should stay out of European affairs.....

Don't worry about the firing squads & extermination camps....

AVRoe · 03-11-2008, 02:26 PM

DerAdlerIstGelandet .So we should just let them slaughter each other? Yeah okay...
How many people are murdered every day in the US ? It`s safer to walk the streets in Serbia than New York.

pbfoot · 03-11-2008, 02:55 PM

Much of the world did let them slaughter each other , prior to Kosovo remember Bosnia, Croatia,. Does anyome recall the Carnage prior to Kosovo with death camps etc . I'd rather walk down any street anywhere in New York then Sarejevo in the early 90's.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-11-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AVRoe

DerAdlerIstGelandet .So we should just let them slaughter each other? Yeah okay...
How many people are murdered every day in the US ? It`s safer to walk the streets in Serbia than New York.

Now you are just being funny. Either that or very naive.

I spent 10 months in Kosovo as part of the peace keeping mission. I have seen the mass graves and seen the killing first hand.

To say that more people are killed in New York than in the fighting that was going in that region from Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo is pretty naive...

To compare street crimes in New York City and the genocide that has occured in this region frankly is pretty dumb. Just my opinion though. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Sorry it does not even compare. Nice try please go straight to jail. Do not pass go and do not collect $200.

Milos Sijacki · 03-11-2008, 03:23 PM

Has any one of you guys visited Novi Sad during EXIT?? This has nothing to do with the politics. If you have ever visited my town I want to hear your opinions about it.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-11-2008, 03:24 PM

No I am sorry Milos. The only place in Serbia I have been to is Belgrad.

AVRoe · 03-11-2008, 03:43 PM

I´m naive !WOW. I did not say more people are killed in New York!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-11-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AVRoe

I´m naive !WOW. I did not say more people are killed in New York!

I never said that you said that.

You made a comment about how the west should not get involved in the regional affairs. We got involved because of the conflicts, genocide going on in the region.

Was there genocide and mass slaughter going on there in the 1990s? Yes or no?

Yes there was. Then I said:
So we should just let them slaughter each other? Yeah okay...

To which you said:
How many people are murdered every day in the US ? It`s safer to walk the streets in Serbia than New York.

What you said had nothing to do with the topic as a whole. Most European cities are safer than New York City, but what does that have to do with genocide in a regional conflict? Nothing! Nor does it having anything to do with the topic!

So now my question to you is this:
Would it have been right to not get involved and allow thousands of more civilians to be killed just because of there ethnic background?

No it would not have been. That is why we got involved and that is why we are there today.

freebird · 03-11-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

So now my question to you is this:
Would it have been right to not get involved and allow thousands of more civilians to be killed just because of there ethnic background?

No it would not have been. That is why we got involved and that is why we are there today.

Chris, there is something that I've wondered for some time. During the 1990's Clinton sent US troops to intervene in Somalia & supported measures against Yugoslavian {Serbian} aggression. These initiatives were opposed by the Republicans that didn't want to get involved. Do you think that most of the military although they might have personally disliked Clinton nevertheless supported the missions in Somalia & Bosnia?

I say this because I think it must be harder for a soldier to say "it's not our problem" after seeing the people suffering from genocide. Am I right?

Regards, Alex

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-11-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by freebird

Chris, there is something that I've wondered for some time. During the 1990's Clinton sent US troops to intervene in Somalia & supported measures against Yugoslavian {Serbian} aggression. These initiatives were opposed by the Republicans that didn't want to get involved. Do you think that most of the military although they might have personally disliked Clinton nevertheless supported the missions in Somalia & Bosnia?

I say this because I think it must be harder for a soldier to say "it's not our problem" after seeing the people suffering from genocide. Am I right?

Regards, Alex

I can not speak for Somalia. As for Kosovo I do believe that most soldiers supported it. I know that before my unit deployed to Kosovo alot of us did not care to go. After we arrived in Kosovo and saw the destruction and the mass graves we realized we had a purpose there.

My personal favorite was the children. Whenever we flew a mission to a town or something we would shut down and wait on our passengers. While waiting the children of the villages would come out to our aircraft and we would play with them and give them candy and small gifts.

The smiles on the childrens faces made it all worth it for me.

timshatz · 03-12-2008, 08:17 AM

Pretty cool shot Adler.

Freebird, just to throw some details on the Somalian thing, Bush senior sent the troops in first in December of 92, right after he lost the election. But there were there only to protect the UN food distribution and general peace keeping. Not to get involved beyond that.

It was after Clinton got in that mission creep started. Going after Adide (SP?) and things of that nature. It was that change in policy that led to the Blackhawk Down event.

To my mind, that is one of the reasons Clinton was so averse to going into the Balkans in the first place. It took a trip from Tony Blair and a long set of meetings in the White House to get Clinton to commit. Even then, there were a ton of restrictions placed on US soliders that were not reflected in other nations in the Nato force (restrictions on leaving the base was one) as he did not want to see even one casket come home. It would give the opposition plenty to use against him.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-12-2008, 08:19 AM

We left the camp all the time, but then again that was our job to fly around.

timshatz · 03-12-2008, 08:41 AM

Adler, I'd heard the US soliders were pretty much restricted to camp on their off hours whereas the Euros could wander around the local town. And that the Euros thought that was pretty funny.

Was that your experience?