Kosovo Independence-- Good thing or a bad thing?

Milos Sijacki · 02-14-2008, 04:53 PM

I'm starting this thread to express my worries about all of this Kosovo independence thing. This will not end well. I hope there won't be any war, especially Third World war because of it.

What do you people think? Be honest, please

pbfoot · 02-14-2008, 05:20 PM

I personally don't care one way or the other but feel Kosovo will separate and how Serbia will handle it is the key. The recent election you had in the beginning of Feb was very close between the Serb Nationalists and the pro Europe faction. I hope you can maintain but have my doubts , your election didn't even make the US news but it did in Canada. So the US isn't for the most part aware of this possible problem
We have a large Serb community in my city and the largest St George party/festival in North America .

FLYBOYJ · 02-14-2008, 06:29 PM

Personally I think it's a regional problem that should be decided by those in the region. When any form of genocide is undertaken that's when it becomes an international problem.

pbfoot · 02-14-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Personally I think it's a regional problem that should be decided by those in the region. When any form of genocide is undertaken that's when it becomes an international problem.

your 100% correct and I have no wish for any ill on anyone but that said previous behaviour in the region does not bode well for the future and the way Milos worded the question makes me concerned

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-15-2008, 05:12 AM

I personally feel they should recieve there indepence.

I spent some time in Kosovo and met many people. I feel they should have it.

Now having said that, it will only be much more bloody. Both sides will probably do genocide again and kill each other in large numbers.

I should be a regional thing though and the EU should take care of it themselves.

timshatz · 02-15-2008, 10:57 AM

I get a feeling this thing is going to get out of hand. Just a feeling, nothing solid, but the Balkans are always hairy. There are a few people over here that think Europe dodged a bullet over the election the Serbs just had. The guy who won, didn't win by much. The other guy was an ultranationalist.

Be best if Nato/EC handles the whole situation very carefully.

Milos Sijacki · 02-16-2008, 02:48 AM

That part of the region never was an independent state, even Albania didn't exist as a state until 1912. Many see it as something that is impossible-1) there would be 2 Albanian states; 2) whose monuments are there? Albanian or Serbian? Our oldest churches and monasteries are there, built by our greatest kings and an emperor Dusan the Mighty.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-16-2008, 09:35 AM

The problem is this.

Each of these areas: Kosovo, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Serbia all have there own ethnic groups that do not like living with each other.

Bosnia, Macedonia, and Croatia rightfully broke away from Yugoslavia and are doing just fine.

Kosovo needs to fully break away and they will do just fine.

Why?

The reason this region is so volotile and called the "Powderkeg of Europe" is because of the different ethnic groups. They can not live together.

If everyone has there own region they will be happy and everybody will be better off. There will be less oppression and less fighting.

I remember how happy the children in Kosovo were not to be under rule of Serbia anymore. They told us they could go to school in the morning without fear of hate crimes.

The mass graves speak for themselves...

Milos Sijacki · 02-16-2008, 11:44 AM

Then Spain should give in to ETA demands, Britain should give Northern Ireland to Ireland and so and so on.... There were Bosnia and Croatia as states(kingdoms) always. Croatia accepted the rule of Hungary in 1100.

There will be two Albanian states, what if they merge together?

FLYBOYJ · 02-16-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Milos Sijacki

Then Spain should give in to ETA demands, Britain should give Northern Ireland to Ireland and so and so on.... There were Bosnia and Croatia as states(kingdoms) always. Croatia accepted the rule of Hungary in 1100.

There will be two Albanian states, what if they merge together?

Different situation - the IRA has all but ceased to exist. The ETA seems to be a small band and not necessarily representative of Basque interests. IMO there needs to be a "strong arm" to control the region. Ya didn't see any problems when Tito was alive!

pbfoot · 02-16-2008, 12:32 PM

Your options are to look to the future and try and build a relationship of friendship with the Albanians so you can market your skills and products to your new friends and make money rather then worry about the past. They wont stop you from visiting the shrines and other places of interest they want to make money as well.

Milos Sijacki · 02-16-2008, 02:32 PM

I'm a person of tomorrow. I just hope nothing bad happens after this. Radicals could use the situation and they probably will which will result with sanctions and what else from the EU and NATO and it will be the people who will suffer, AGAIN!!!

Fingers crossed everything runs smooth.

Tito should have resolved the matter when it was easier. but he is the one who got all of us from ex-YU into this mess of today. I hope he burns in hell.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-16-2008, 04:22 PM

Sorry but I dont feel sorry about the Sanctions that happened in Serbia, and I think is pretty screwed up to blame the EU and NATO for the suffering of your people after the war with Kosovo. We stopped the fighting, we did not start it.

If anyone is to blame for the suffering of the Serbs it is the leadership of the Serbien people themselves.

Please dont take me wrong when I say this. Sure the people of Serbia lived under some hardships because of the Sanctions but atleast they were alive!

The people that I saw in the mass graves when I was in Kosovo were not alive...

Again though please dont take me wrong. I have nothing against the Serbian people. Serbs are not bad people.

Oh well as someone who believes they should have there freedom, I would like to welcome Kosovo as the worlds newest nation. They will officially anounce there Indepence tomorrow.

All pictures taken from:
Kosovo - Yahoo! News Photos

Haztoys · 02-16-2008, 06:55 PM

I maybe WAY wrong on this ...But that area is were WW1 started ...Right or Wrong...I think they have been at each other for some time ...Tito and the USSR keep them from fighting ...Not that it was a good rule ...

If I'm wrong fill me in...

pbfoot · 02-16-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Haztoys

I maybe WAY wrong on this ...But that area is were WW1 started ...Right or Wrong...I think they have been at each other for some time ...Tito and the USSR keep them from fighting ...Not that it was a good rule ...

If I'm wrong fill me in...

And milos mentioned the possible 3rd one.
Just what we don't have enough of a good old fashioned ethnic war. This weeks card the Serbs vs the Albanians in a rematch