Let´s not forget 9-11 !!!!

[trackend]

A guy on the TV a week ago in a discussion I believe got it right

"the leaders of these fanatics/sheep which is what you have to be in order to take you own life as a human bomb have only one goal, that is the rule of the Muslim culture and the demise of Christian/western culture it is not an ideal that can be reasoned with but must be confronted "

They are not a cohesive force but many small groups operating independently with a common goal that is fueled by the likes of Bin Laden.this is what makes them different from all other terrorist groups and so much harder to eliminate.
FBJ & Les have a stronger reason than most to feel aggrieved about 9-11 but as was once said in a film "our arm is long and our vengeance is strong" they WILL be brought to book and they WILL be removed but I think nearly everyone with any common knows it ain't going to happen over night and requires a sustained pressure.

[P38 Pilot]

Thats right LesofPrimus! Oh and Kiwimac, i dont like you using that statement because to me it sounded like you were supporting Al-Qhaida and all of the other sh*t holes in the Middle east.

Now if you took the time to read the stories that were posted, i dont think you would have posted anything! Oh and by the way, I like George W Bush. He is WAY better than John Kerry who cant make his mind up!

John Kerry first said he was for the war, then against!

I dont think we would have wanted a president over hear making flip-flop decisions and allowing the terrorist to start refroming!

LesofPRimus, great story!

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by trackend

FBJ & Les have a stronger reason than most to feel aggrieved about 9-11 but as was once said in a film "our arm is long and our vengeance is strong" they WILL be brought to book and they WILL be removed but I think nearly everyone with any common knows it ain't going to happen over night and requires a sustained pressure.

Thanks Track - my anger runs deep. Many have stereotyped Americans for always using the phrase "Lets Nuke Em," well to me that's just a waste of money. Mustard gas, anthrax and other chemical and biological weapons would be my weapon of choice for maximum suffering......

I may sound like a madman, but like I sad earlier, it's personal

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

And what a lot of difference that will make.

Iraq has gone from a secular state with NO proven links to Al-Qaeda to a training camp for tomorrows terrorists, oh yeah well done. Bush and Blair are both war criminals and should be shot.

Kiwimac

Heres what I have to say to this dumb comment whether Iraq had to do with 9-11 or not, it is easy for people like yourself who have not been touched by these senseless middle easteren terrorist turds to speak like you do. I am proud to be an American Citizen, I am proud to have done my part to make some of those ****ers burn over there in Iraq. I flew it proud!

[evangilder]

[FLYBOYJ]

Nice Adler!

[plan_D]

As you all know, I hate you Americans ( ) but this is for all Americans that serve the world.

[Nonskimmer]

I've been staying out of this one, but at this point I'll salute.
Good on ya, boys!

[plan_D]

I was just wondering; do the Canadian Armed Forces salute like the British or Americans?

[evangilder]

Yep, I salute you Adler, and all of your comrades that have served or are still serving there now.

[Nonskimmer]

Americans, PD. The RCMP still do the British salute though.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I just hate how some people judge American because of this Iraq stuff. I am sorry but sooner or later some one was going to have to do it. People like Kiwi have not seen the smiles on the Iraqi childrens faces, they did not see the things that we see. They see CNN and what the press wants them to know. No offense but they are ignorant to what is really going on.

[lesofprimus]

I found the story that I was trying to relate....

NY Times Article on Stephen Siller --- June 23, 2002

Fitting Tribute for a Hero

By HARVEY ARATON

Sprinting slightly more than a mile from Brooklyn to Manhattan does not sound like an extraordinary feat of athleticism until you close your eyes and imagine the desperate conditions under which one brave firefighter did it last Sept. 11.

In those impossibly frantic moments when the bar was permanently raised in evaluating heroism and courage, a married father of five who was technically off-duty abandoned his vehicle at the entrance of the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, grabbed his work gear and made the run of his life, in an effort to save others. His name was Stephen Siller and he didn't live to tell of it.

"You could never really pin Stephen down," one of three older brothers, Russell, said recently from his home in Rockville Centre, N.Y. "He needed a lot of space. He had so much energy. He was, I have to say, indomitable."

He was on his way home to Staten Island from the night shift at the Squad 1 firehouse in Park Slope, Brooklyn, when he learned the Twin Towers had been hit and had burst into flames. The brothers can only assume Stephen heard the news on the scanner in his mini-truck. Duty was calling. His city and country were calling. The typical Siller brothers outing, a round of golf out in New Jersey, would have to wait.

"Stephen called his wife, Sally, and told her to tell us there was an emergency," another brother, George Siller, said. "He said he'd be back later. He never came home."
They are a large Staten Island family — four boys, three girls. Stephen, at 34, was the baby by far, only 10 when he was orphaned, losing a parent for the second time within two years. Russell Siller, 24 years Stephen's senior, took him in, raised him in Rockville Centre, and even taught him English at St. Agnes High School.

"He lived with me and my family," Russell Siller said, "but it was really a family-wide effort. We all raised Stephen. He was close with everyone and as a kid went from house to house. And that's why losing him has been so hard. People feel for the spouses and children, but it's natural for them to feel like the siblings should just go on. Stephen was more like our son than our sibling."

He was the generational link, the one who could always keep up with next wave of Sillers, the nieces and nephews, as well as his own kids. "He played ball with them, he'd run with them," said George Siller, who owns a Staten Island sporting goods store. "You never saw a guy with as much energy as Stephen. I don't know if it's because of what happened to him as a kid, but he never wanted to miss a minute of life."

He loved the Mets and working out, and softball games with his brothers, and later he became more than pretty good at golf. He competed in a few triathlon-like events and ran road races with Russell in Long Island. Built more like a football player, he didn't have a classic runner's body, his brothers said. He just had the will to keep going.

He was about three-quarters through the 1.7-mile tunnel when the truck from Brooklyn's Engine Co. 239 spotted him, running along the catwalk, carrying his gear. "They told us they picked him up," George Siller said. "Dropped him off on West Street, close to ground zero. We guess he went looking for the guys from Squad 1. That was the last thing we heard."
There would be no golf outing and no husband coming home. The oldest of his children, 10, would lose a parent at the very age Stephen was orphaned. The youngest, one and a half, not long removed from open heart surgery, would never know his father, which only made the Sillers more determined to find a way to make sure the baby and the other kids knew what their kid brother, their communal son, was about.

How to properly memorialize — with a plaque, a ceremony, a golf outing? No, it had to be something that explained who he was, that captured his spirit. A close friend offered the idea of a road race, and the Sillers knew right away where it would begin and where it would end.

They got the permits and recently announced the first Tunnel to Towers Run for the benefit of the firefighters' burn center and the Stephen Siller Let-Us-Do-Good Children's Foundation on Sept. 29. The race will be five kilometers long, or 3.1 miles, from the entrance to the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel to where the towers stood, following the route Stephen Siller took on foot, by engine and on foot to the finish.

The Sillers have fashioned a logo. They are developing a Web site — TunnelToTowersRun.org. They adopted a slogan: "Follow the footsteps of an American hero."

Russell Siller said he is going to run and he only hopes that navigating the tunnel, trying to imagine what his brother was thinking, how he was feeling, will not render him weak in the knees. The memory of Sept. 11 is so painful to carry around, but then, in the face of the worst of it, Stephen Siller lugged his gear and ran the tunnel and made it to where he believed he should be.

Great runs in sports are celebrated and immortalized. This should be one for the ages.

Heres alittle more gum to chew on...

Among the numbing measurements of death and loss from the World Trade Center collapse is also this: At least a score of uniformed rescuers who perished were off-duty at the time. A fireman named Steve Bellson is surfing the waves out in the Rockaways and races to the scene. Firefighter Mike Weinberg drops his clubs on a golf green in Queens. Captain Tim Stackpole, who spent two months in a hospital recovering from a deadly blaze, is already finished with his tour but jumps on a truck headed downtown. Lieutenant Paul Mitchell is off-duty in Brooklyn but runs to the station on Tillary Street to hitch a ride. Second generation fireman Michael Boyle isn't supposed to be working that day either, but his dad, Jimmy, the former head of the firefighters' union, knows immediately that his son has gone just the same. A Port Authority cop named George Howard, whose badge will be displayed by President Bush a few nights later, is not supposed to go to work but runs from his home in Long Island to the Center, just as he did when the 1993 bomb went off. Emergency medical technician Ricardo Quinn, who also isn't supposed to be working, heads straight for the center.

[Nonskimmer]

Heros all. All of 'em.

[plan_D]

I don't think anything good enough can be said about those people and all those helping at the WTC.