More London bombs (21st July)

evangilder · 08-12-2005, 10:34 AM

Because we help to liberate a country does not mean that they have to follow every whim that a politician makes 50 years later. I am certainly no fan of the French either, but there is no obligation on their part to help us militarily in something that they do not believe in. Besides, you don't want help from someone who doesn'r believe in your cause.

plan_D · 08-12-2005, 11:24 AM

Most people hate the French. The British and Germans probably hate them the most and even the British aren't bothered about them going to Iraq. What we are still bothered about is them not showing any gratitude for World War II.

Not like we had to go over in 1940 and lose half of our RAF trying to save them. Then go over again in 1944...

marconi · 08-12-2005, 11:30 AM

What do you think about Spain/Ukraine? They have moved out/are going to move out thier forces out of Iraq.

P.S.Why do you dislike French so much?Is that because of Napoleon or William the Conqueror?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-12-2005, 11:38 AM

As a veteran of Iraq I dont care if they move out or not. Again they did not have to be there in the fist place. I am greatful for there help while they were there, but lets face it what was the real reasons for them being there?

plan_D · 08-12-2005, 11:47 AM

Spain have become yellow bellied. They caved into terrorism with record breaking speed. Ukraine, I don't mind. They don't have to be there and never said they would be there until the end.

England hates France because the French are ignorant and ungrateful of everything England has done for them over the past 100 years. The wars that England and France have been through history aren't a "problem" in the minds of us English because, let's face it, we won most of them. Let's just say it's an ancient hatred between the English and French. We hate them, they hate us.

William I was a Norman, not French. Normandy might be part of France but Normans were/are Vikings. Norman-Nordman-Norseman-Northman; they came from Scandanavia and took Normandy.

On that note, the English don't like very many Continental Europeans. We have bad things to say about everyone and even ourselves.

marconi · 08-12-2005, 12:09 PM

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On that note, the English don't like very many Continental Europeans. We have bad things to say about everyone and even ourselves.

English are snobs, aren't they?

I think the problem that we don't like our neighbours can be applied to any nation: Ukrinians don't like Russians and Poles, Swedes dont like Norwegians and so on.Like the old Ukrainian saying says: "Real man have to do the following things in his life - plant a tree, bring up a child, build a house and burn down your neighbours house

plan_D · 08-12-2005, 12:51 PM

We're not really snobs anymore. The higher classes still are, obviously, snobs. The vast majority of England is made up of loud-mouthed, disease, drugged-up, docile turds.

As I always say; I love Britain but I hate the British.

P38 Pilot · 08-12-2005, 07:53 PM

Any country who either fights with us or just support us is a country i appreciate. France, they dont have to fight. I dont even think we would them. They dont need to critizize or even give weapons to the terrorist.

But, what makes me dislike the French alot is the fact that they dont show gratitude toward Americans or the British for liberating their country during from Nazi Germany during WWII. Now im not critizing the Germans. I infact like the German people. The French today critize America and what i have heard the UK. They dont have too show that they hate us. They dont. They just need to stay neutral when we are trying to do great good in the world.

plan_D · 08-12-2005, 10:46 PM

They show more gratitude to the U.S than they do to Britain! But still, never enough. On that though, I do not think they should bow at our feet and kiss our boots (although I would enjoy that). The French people are mostly indecent and ignorant, they look down at the British like we abandoned them during World War II.

marconi · 08-13-2005, 04:35 AM

in Dunkirk?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 07:54 AM

I hope you do not imply that question as the British did abandon them in Dunkirk. Dunkirk was a masterful withdrawal. With out it the British too would have been lost.

marconi · 08-13-2005, 08:02 AM

I just ... couldn't control myself.I had to ask this question

P38 Pilot · 08-13-2005, 08:07 AM

It wasnt the British troops fault about what happened at Dunkirk. They werent they outnumbered?
Besides, most French soldiers surrendered with pastries in their hands so it didnt get even more violent!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 08:47 AM

It was not the fact that the British were outnumbered in Dunkirk they were out maneuverered and defeated by better tactics at the time. If it had not been for Hitlers stupidity they could have wiped out the British Army in France. The British withdrawal from Dunkirk was masterfully done and saved the British Army to fight another day.

SM79Sparviero · 08-13-2005, 09:23 AM

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Dunkirk was a masterful withdrawal. With out it the British too would have been lost.

British troops could be completely defeated in Dunkirk but Hitler decided to save them from the final knock-out because he was still hoping to get a separate honourable peace with British Empire, whose force and prestige and fleet he feared.
He would have liked an alliance with them more than with Italians, considered an unreliable people ( and he was not completely wrong).
Hitler justified himself with the enraged generals of Wermarcht by explaining that tanks and armored divisions "could be stick in the mud of the swamps in the northern France"

Britain ( and Europe) should in any day be grateful to the old bull-dog Winston Churchill who withstood when leaving could seem the best solution.

About the bombs in London:
Tribute to the innocent victims and solidarity with a wonderful City where I spent the by far best summer of my life.

But none wonders why the terrorists had a timer for the bomb?

If I am a "shaid al said" ("lucky martyr") or a "shaid-al-mugattil" (" martyr killed in combat")-"Kamikaze" had completely different motivations-exactly on the same model as suicide terrorist in Israel or Iraq, why should I use a timer for my bomb?And, if I am a young mind-washed traditionalist Muslim why don't I shave all my body , don't I wear a white dress under my clothes, and why don't I cry "Allah Akhbar before the death?