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10-10-2006, 02:08 PM
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Country:  | How apropriate would it be if they had an unfortunate accident. Say a premature detenation to close to the surface. Close enough to take out the test site.
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10-10-2006, 02:09 PM
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#17 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | They already have Patriot Pac-3. What are you thinking of Erich? Something from our CA and AK sites?
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10-10-2006, 02:32 PM
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#18 | | the old Sage
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Country: | small little devices sent in small packages to conceal them . . . . . think you know where I am coming from now. To show a strength of balance as we knew it had to happen
personally I would perfer a small band of Samurai attacking the North Korean capital building if there is such a thing and take this no-name and his cabinet of goofs out ..... | |
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10-10-2006, 02:38 PM
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#19 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | I don't know, Erich. I think the internal politics of Japan having little black boxes would be too great. Hell, they still argue about whether consitutionally they have to name their military the JDF.
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10-10-2006, 03:12 PM
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| The next time N Korea wants to perform a missle test will be very interesting.
I bet preemptive strikes, or...... a full up ballistic missle defense.
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10-10-2006, 04:16 PM
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Country:  | N korea is a very strange and unsular country isnt it? The trouble with them is that they really believe that by getting a Nuclear weapon it will actually make them safer. Now this may or may not be the truth, howver, other countries, Iran for instance, see the N Korean situation and say, hey they have Nukes now and everyone is sitting up and taking notice.
Where does this lead, well worryingly to a possible race for countries such as Iran to acquire a Nuclear capability. Also and perhaps even more worrying, N korea has a tradition of selling weapons.
I'm sure its much more complicated than this but it is my simple take on it. | |
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10-10-2006, 04:42 PM
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Country:  | If you're right Meteor (and I think you are), then my History of 20th century teacher was also right :
"WWI was a trench war. WWII was an air war. And if ever there is a WWIII it will be a star wars with everyone getting nuked !"
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10-10-2006, 04:46 PM
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Country: | Honestly, I don't really see the point of Nuclear Weapon's anymore. As power is one thing, as weapons they're next to useless. All they're really used for is a deterrence. Now that practically every kid on the block has one. Now it's no more an intimidation than without them. In WW2, it was one thing. They ended the war. Now they just collect dust in their silos.
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10-10-2006, 07:35 PM
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Country: | you would see the point if you were a country such as NK or Iran, that could reasonably be invaded by the USA at some point, as a deterrant to invasion - especially since some of these guys would probably nuke themselves if it would wipe out an invading army. That's just one benefit. I don't even want to get into the possible uses of a nuclear weapon by a terrorist org.
Imagine the landing at inchon - hit with a nuclear weapon.
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10-10-2006, 09:15 PM
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Country: | That's what cruise missles before and self propelled cannon's are for.
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10-11-2006, 04:20 AM
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Country: | BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | N Korea raises threat of new test
North Korea threatens more tests if the US continues its agressive stance towards them while the French foreign minister says the test was either a convential bomb or a failed nuclear test.
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10-11-2006, 07:17 AM
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#27 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | I have been getting some chatter that the test was either a bluff, or a dud. Different countries are saying different things about the test, but you have to wonder about Kim Jong "Mentally" Il. He has been looking for a handout from the US forever because he won't spend the money to feed his people, but he will on this. You have to wonder if he is behaving like a spoiled child, not getting what he wants, so he is acting out.
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10-11-2006, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief  That's what cruise missles before and self propelled cannon's are for. | detonating a nuclear bomb is a far cry from using cruise missiles and SPGs. I don't see the correlation. A nuke could just wipe out a large invasion force in one fell swoop. A cruise missile or SPG can't. Fact is that nuts like Jong Il or Achmadenajdncjdkjdbk (however it's spelled) may very well use nuclear weapons if they possessed them - despite the threat of a full US retaliatory response. I think MAD goes right out the window with them - particularly the iranians.
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10-11-2006, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Honestly, I don't really see the point of Nuclear Weapon's anymore. As power is one thing, as weapons they're next to useless. All they're really used for is a deterrence. Now that practically every kid on the block has one. Now it's no more an intimidation than without them. In WW2, it was one thing. They ended the war. Now they just collect dust in their silos. | Yeah and that sitting around and collecting dust in there silos is exactly what kept the Cold War from breaking out in WW3 and a nuclear holocaust. If it had not been for either the US and the Soviets from stockpiling more and more nukes, then more than likely Russian would have invaded. Neither country wanted to end the world.
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10-11-2006, 11:26 AM
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Country: | [quote=evangilder;194166]I have been getting some chatter that the test was either a bluff, or a dud. QUOTE]
Yep. I'm reading State Dept estimates of 800-1200kT equivalent. Far cry from Hiroshima size (20kT) that was first reported. And so far no confirmation of radiation. Question becomes whether its a ruse or a failed attempt at full detonation.
Irrespective, if there is not some repercussions, then Iran will view a similar test as being their final sprint to freedom for "US oppression". China is advocating sanctions (surprise of surprises) and Japan has effectively shut off all trade (not sure what impact that really has though).
Likely not to occur, but what would US response be if China invaded NK with stated intentions of deposing Kim Jong Il? Are we back to the old doctrine of attempting to prevent communist expansion? If the west invades with similar stated purpose, what is China's reaction? Serious times my friends. 
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