 | N. Korea Test Nuclear Device| Politics Discuss N. Korea Test Nuclear Device in the Current forums; The test might be a fizzle. Even the US and Russia have had fizzles from time to time.
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10-11-2006, 11:42 AM
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| The test might be a fizzle. Even the US and Russia have had fizzles from time to time.
No radiation was released because it wa sunderground. As the seismic data is analyzed over the following weeks, and China's spys report back, then we will know what happened.
As for China invading N Korea? I bet the Bush admin has told them to go ahead, just stop some miles north of the DMZ so as not to create an incident.
Or China can just use its contacts in the N korean military to stage a coup.
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10-11-2006, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by syscom3  The test might be a fizzle. Even the US and Russia have had fizzles from time to time.
No radiation was released because it wa sunderground. As the seismic data is analyzed over the following weeks, and China's spys report back, then we will know what happened.
As for China invading N Korea? I bet the Bush admin has told them to go ahead, just stop some miles north of the DMZ so as not to create an incident.
Or China can just use its contacts in the N korean military to stage a coup. |
Don't you really believe that China would ever invade NK? That would be interesting to see if it ever did happen.
Now NK is threating war if there is anymore sanctions imposed.
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10-11-2006, 04:09 PM
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Country:  | Perhaps N Korea actually starting a war could be the best long term thing for everyone involved, for surely they would lose and no one would support them.
I know a real lot of people would die, but in the long term?
After all N Korea is a one shot weapon, they wouldnt have the support they had in the 50's, and would quickly be overwhelmed.
I see them kind of like a guy that storms into a big hall holding a single grenade. They can threaten everyone with it as long as they dont use it. Once they throw it they cause quite a few casualties which the rest of the guys in the room obviously dont want. But once thrown the rest of the guys will then turn on the weaponless man and easily overwhelm him.
This is, I believe, the tightrope that N korea has ben walking for years, only they seem to have a slightly bigger granade. | |
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10-11-2006, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet If it had not been for either the US and the Soviets from stockpiling more and more nukes, then more than likely Russian would have invaded. Neither country wanted to end the world. | Excellent and correct point. Few realize that, up to now, due to what you have stated, the nuclear bomb was probably saved more lives than any other invention. If you think a lot people died in WWII, you would be stunned by how many would die if Russia invaded Europe. Unfortunately, we have entered a new world where crazy and territorial nations have nuclear weapons and people who have no concern for the killing of innocent people are trying to get them. I think we are nearer the detonation of a hostile nuclear weapon than we have ever been in the past (maybe except for the Cuban missile crisis). | |
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10-11-2006, 08:47 PM
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Country: | I agree davparlr. However, NK is not going to attack anybody. As much as we all likely agree the KJI is a narcissist megalomaniac, he is not truly insane. He is not about to do anything that will outright result in him being deposed. I am increasingly having less and less sympathy for the current generation of South Koreans. They continue to wish to coddle this dude with the infantile belief that simple compliance to demands will placate thier northern brethren. Reality is eventually going to hit Seoul like the proverbial 10,000 howitzers just north of the DMZ. Either way, force or peaceably, SK is either going to suffer direct casualties eventually or a mass influx of starving and desparate people putting a major drain on thier economy. The have's and have nots will clash before this is over. The question is when.
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10-11-2006, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt308 KJI is a narcissist megalomaniac, he is not truly insane. | Wish I could have the same feelings about Achmedenijad...
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10-12-2006, 12:58 PM
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Country: | This may have been said above - I only skimmed it, so I may have missed it - but if the NKs have got a nuclear weapon, it is not yet the end of the world. I'd be more worried about bacteriological or chemical stuff, as it is far easier to deliver accurately to the target. North Korea probably does not have any reasonable delivery systems, and the only serious target is South Korea. That is worrying enough, but as they CLAIM South Korea, they are unlikely to want to nuke a place they intend to anschluss. So for the time being, I don't think it changes anything. And they are unlikely to use it on us, knowing what would happen if they did. MAD is alive and well in South-East Asia!
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10-12-2006, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ndicki This may have been said above - I only skimmed it, so I may have missed it - but if the NKs have got a nuclear weapon, it is not yet the end of the world. I'd be more worried about bacteriological or chemical stuff, as it is far easier to deliver accurately to the target. North Korea probably does not have any reasonable delivery systems, and the only serious target is South Korea. That is worrying enough, but as they CLAIM South Korea, they are unlikely to want to nuke a place they intend to anschluss. So for the time being, I don't think it changes anything. And they are unlikely to use it on us, knowing what would happen if they did. MAD is alive and well in South-East Asia! | Roger - but what is very troublesome too is the strong possibility of proliferation...
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10-12-2006, 01:39 PM
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10-13-2006, 01:29 AM
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Country: | The thing is, what would thgey actually WANT the thing for? A lot of nations have the bomb, and it doesn't actually do them a lot of good, when all is said and done - look at Israel or India; it's the "independent" loonies that worry me, who'd be capable of putting the thing in a ship, say, or a lorry...
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Originally Posted by davparlr Excellent and correct point. Few realize that, up to now, due to what you have stated, the nuclear bomb was probably saved more lives than any other invention. If you think a lot people died in WWII, you would be stunned by how many would die if Russia invaded Europe. Unfortunately, we have entered a new world where crazy and territorial nations have nuclear weapons and people who have no concern for the killing of innocent people are trying to get them. I think we are nearer the detonation of a hostile nuclear weapon than we have ever been in the past (maybe except for the Cuban missile crisis). | I agree.
The interesting thing about NK is that they announced that any sanctions against them would be an act of war. NK is not really in a position to start a war as others have stated. It would just be one bloody mess with NK falling.
Going to be interesting what happens in the next few weeks.
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10-14-2006, 01:25 PM
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10-14-2006, 02:25 PM
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The UN Security Council has voted unanimously in favour of a resolution imposing sanctions on North Korea over its claimed nuclear test.
Resolution 1718 imposes weapons and financial sanctions but is not backed by the threat of military force.
The North Korean envoy walked out after the vote, which followed hours of intensive talks aimed at allaying concerns raised by China and Russia.
North Korea claimed to have tested a nuclear bomb last Monday.
The resolution:
Demands North Korea eliminate all its nuclear weapons, weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles.
Requires all countries to prevent the sale or transfer of materials related to Pyongyang's unconventional weapons programmes, as well as large-sized military items such as tanks, missiles and helicopters.
Demands nations freeze funds overseas of people or businesses connected with North Korea's nuclear and ballistic missile programs.
Allows nations to inspect cargo moving in and out of North Korea in pursuit of non-conventional weapons.
Is not backed up by the threat of military force.
Calls on Pyongyang to return "without precondition" to stalled six-nation talks on its nuclear programme.
(BBC News)
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