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[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Delusional

I totally agree, Erich. It annoys me when people try to compare Iraq and Vietnam. Sure, there are minor similarities, but there are minor similarities in all wars. People just say that Iraq is another Vietnam to try and discredit the current war for those who know little about U.S. history.

Does it annoy you that a veteran of Iraq will compare it to Vietnam? In ways it is just like Vietnam. It is my generations Vietnam. We are losing the War in Iraq. Not because we can not win it. We have the best trained and equipped soldiers in the world. We have the firepower to win the war, however we are losing it because of polotics. It is just like Vietnam, "Take that hill" after it is taken, give it back to the enemy and take it again next week. "Dont bomb that city", "Dont shoot at what might kill you because you dont know who he is".

Over in Iraq it is just like in Vietnam, you dont know who your enemy is, he could be anywhere, A child with a grenade, a farmer in a field. Yes this time around Iraq is very similiar, very similar to Vietnam and we will lose the war if we do not change our strategy and Rumsfeld (who needs to step down by the way) does not let the Generals run the war and the Soldiers fight it.

[lesofprimus]

Speaking of children with grenades in Iraq, check out this vid clip my buddy sent me....

Freakin bas*ards

[Erich]

ah I will try to be subtle and this will not come out right, but Adler you know we can never get out of the mid-east. we are there as permant residents. that is the difference between Nam and the mid-eastern conflict(s). this will spread to the other undesireable countries as it is inevitable.
Even with a brand new admin in 2008 and the talk of bringing the folk home, we will be there in some capacity of which I know .. . .. evil is evil and must be squashed

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[Erich]

Les I am wondering if our guys let loose on those punk *** after the grenade toss ?

[Delusional]

It seems to me Adler that what you have described is the calling card of a modern war, and it does not solidify the similarities between Vietnam and Iraq. As the face of war changes, it will be easier and easier to say that the current war is just like Vietnam, but there are many differences, I am sure. Your explanation provided a look at just one part of the war, and I don't think politics are affecting Iraq quite as much as they did in Vietnam. But again, in a modern war, politics are always going to play a part.

[Erich]

there are some similiarites, but ......

why did we get in Nam in the first place, and I am going to try and not put emotion into this as it is all a bad memory.

France got it's big fat butt inplace and could not get out, so whom came to it's rescue ? Seems this country (France) has truly forgotten why we bled like stuck pigs for them and the way we have been treated since, quite obvious with the pro-commie admin they have in regards to the Iraq and the whole mideast crisis. Besides getting cuaght with their pants down and capturing truckloads of French supplied weaponry.

So here we are stuck in another war that should probably be fought by it's own peoples for it's freedom, but does not have the withall technology wise to rid the scum off the surface, so we, the UK and other notables step in to help free this country of tyranny.

with Nam it spread ever so slowly and quitely to Cambodia and Thailand where at least the media would want you to believe that it was contained. Ah yes we were the victors as nobles fighting the communist dragons, Funny how nobody in the secure top levels would believe us, to end the "police action", was to bomb the north into submission. we had the means and willpower/manpower, but politics as ever present did come in and gave in to public opinion generated by leftist movements . . . . what was the end result we got yanked, and the people of south Nam got slaughtered

do we see some similiar treatment from my above statemts going on now ? we should. We are entrenched in a war that will be fought till times end. the mideastern Muslim countries are all interconnected like a spiders web. many questions need to be answered, forget the wmd's. Whom will be next to declare another Jihad on us and the Allied forces ? I firmly think it has already been done by all the Muslim nations and we are feeling the effects and it will continue ...............answers ? can we come to the peace table and talk reasonably or is that already over or ..... well you already know

[jasta-11]

i think that peace can not be reached, not with the arab states. As a code of honor i would think hell would freeze before one of the muslim leaders gave in and came to the "peace table". Force is grim but necessary now in todays situation. Even i think that it would be wrong to leave iraq now, especially about what it might prove to those who watch america like a hawk, they would use leaving iraq to prove that we cant win wars anymore and cant follow through like in 'nam.

[Erich]

the Muslim countries would declare victory and that we are full non-committed threats...yeah right. Well we are in a rut not to come out. As U said Jasta if any Muslim with any authroity would be in agreeance with us a bullet will find him in time from his own kin. They are of one accord and that is to terminate all of us

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[Delusional]

Wow, Erich, do you really think that the U.S. was in Vietnam simply to save France's ***? Seems to me like we had our own motivations and reasons.

We're screwed if we do, screwed if we don't, eh?

[Erich]

we were there as we were told to get the French out and keep Mao and Communism at a standstill. There was no other reason, we had nothing to gain from the jungle except death.

secretly as well we were there to test new weapons/guidance systems which is widly known. During the Afghan war the Soviets were relying on the same high tech systems to save their butts......it didn't work as they are not mtn. fighters, and their air to ground guidance was not as precise as they thought it was

[Delusional]

Except to further weaken and cripple communism and the Soviet Union, soldifying our position as the strongest nation in the world? Pretty powerful personal motivations, if you ask me.

[Erich]

actually at the time it had nothing to do with the Soviet Union but it did with China who were feeding troops and need supplies to the North Viets since day one in the 60's. The Chinese were there in a very strong position to test us and we could always tell the dead Cong from the Chinese by the height of the individuals

[syscom3]

We origionally were in Indochina to save Laos. That country was the primary focus of the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations, although by 1962, it was apparent that the bllgame was going to be fought in Vietnam.

In the 1950's, there were commmunist insurgencies all over SE Asia. The US and its allies were rightfully concerned about its spread. The Brits did an excellent job containing, then illiminating the threat in Malaya. The Thai's were ruthless in suppressing their commie insurgency, and the Indonesians slaughtered the commies in their country. Unfortunatly, the US went about it the wrong way.

[Bullockracing]

Of course, the Allies started the Vietnam conflict after WWII. It was a French Colony, and the Japanes rooted out their pathetic little foothold. So, the Vietnamese fought the Japanese for the duration of the war, only to have the Allies turn their country back over to the French. The rest is history.

[Delusional]

Seems like a lot of conflicting information. How confusing!