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01-07-2007, 05:35 PM
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Oh, sacred innocence ... | 
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01-07-2007, 05:40 PM
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Country: | "I think the plan was called Defense Plan 1 (I'd hate to hear what Defense Plan 2 was)."
Something like Plan 9 From Outer Space, I suspect: trying to subdue Seattle with frisbees. | |
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01-08-2007, 10:27 AM
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#33 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Ann  "The people would not allow it".
Oh, sacred innocence ... | What are you implying with that.
As an American I know that this country is ruled by people chosen by the people and it would not happen.
Maybe in Argentina where you come from, but not in the US.
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01-12-2007, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet What are you implying with that.
As an American I know that this country is ruled by people chosen by the people and it would not happen.
Maybe in Argentina where you come from, but not in the US. | Ooh, have I hit a nerve? How else to account for this rude response?
I don't 'come from Argentina'. I am here for the time being. I am a Brit.
What am I implying? Nothing. I am SAYING that your belief in the superiority of America, where no tyranny will EVER succeed (they said that in Germay too, in the 1920s), is touching but misplaced. Whenever someone 'knows' what the political future of their country is going to be, the only sensible response is to roll one's eyes.
Perhaps you can explain to me why only mega-millionaires make it to the White House, if your system is so perfect. | |
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01-12-2007, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ann Ooh, have I hit a nerve? How else to account for this rude response?
I don't 'come from Argentina'. I am here for the time being. I am a Brit.
What am I implying? Nothing. I am SAYING that your belief in the superiority of America, where no tyranny will EVER succeed (they said that in Germay too, in the 1920s), is touching but misplaced. Whenever someone 'knows' what the political future of their country is going to be, the only sensible response is to roll one's eyes.
Perhaps you can explain to me why only mega-millionaires make it to the White House, if your system is so perfect. | Ann - He never claimed that the American republican form of gov't is perfect. That one's all you. Yeah - he believes that an authoritarian police state wouldn't come to be in America. You have hundreds of thousands of US military personnel, like Adler, myself, and many other members here, that have taken an oath to SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. If someone wanted to install an "authoritarian or police state" in the US, they'd have a seemingly insurmountable obstacle in the US electorate, and another in the US military. With all that taken into consideration, for the forseeable future, it's just not going to happen. Call it sacred "innocence" if you like.
By the way - I don't know where you learned your superior etiquette over us crass Americans, but I would consider the demeanor of your postings as "rude."
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01-12-2007, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ann "I think the plan was called Defense Plan 1 (I'd hate to hear what Defense Plan 2 was)."
Something like Plan 9 From Outer Space, I suspect: trying to subdue Seattle with frisbees. | I thought the same thing. Figured Defense Plan 3 was a sudden attack from Switzerland. Defense Plan 4 was if all the Moose in the Great White North formed up in a big wedge and headed for Quebec. Defense Plan 5- Flying Monkeys...
You get the picture. | |
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01-12-2007, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ann Ooh, have I hit a nerve? How else to account for this rude response?
I don't 'come from Argentina'. I am here for the time being. I am a Brit.
What am I implying? Nothing. I am SAYING that your belief in the superiority of America, where no tyranny will EVER succeed (they said that in Germay too, in the 1920s), is touching but misplaced. Whenever someone 'knows' what the political future of their country is going to be, the only sensible response is to roll one's eyes.
Perhaps you can explain to me why only mega-millionaires make it to the White House, if your system is so perfect. | Can't see it happening with the country in it's present state. Politically, economically and socially, the US has a history of reprentative govt that would be difficult to arrest by a totalitarian dictatorship (and that is what it would take). If the US broke up (due to any of a number of combined factors), one or more of the sections could and probably would be ruled by a totalitarian govt of sorts. Not because Americans are prone to it, but in a country that dissolves, it is common for the pieces to be at each other's throats (Aka, Yugoslavia). Not a definite, but a good chance of it occuring during a breakup.
Germany turned to facism after the fall of the Kaiser's Govt and the ineptitude of the Weirmar Republic. Germany had a long history of principalities governed by rule of an individual based on hereditary title. As a consequence, there was a history of a fairly benevolent dictatorship in living memory. It made Hitler's rise easeir. It does not explain everything but it is a part of the situation.
There is no such history in the US. Far from being subservient to the Govt, most Americans don't trust it any further than they can throw it. Not from distain, but in the belief that nobody knows how to run their own affairs better than the person living them. Govt intrusion is a big deal to Americans. They generally don't like it.
Just a few thoughts on the topic of the US ever going totalitarian. Possible, but not very probable. | |
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01-12-2007, 07:04 PM
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#38 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Ann Ooh, have I hit a nerve? How else to account for this rude response? | No actually that was not a rude response and you did not strike a nerve. Its called conversation. Your original post was quite rude though, especially for a newbie to this forum. You have a bit of arrogance to yourself. Do yourself a favor and dont piss me off. I dont need that right now... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Ann What am I implying? Nothing. I am SAYING that your belief in the superiority of America, where no tyranny will EVER succeed (they said that in Germay too, in the 1920s), is touching but misplaced. Whenever someone 'knows' what the political future of their country is going to be, the only sensible response is to roll one's eyes. | No where did I say that the US system was perfect and or superior to anyone elses. So do yourself a favor again and dont put words in my mouth.
I wll say this much, as an American who votes in the US and knows the laws I would say that I do understand the US polotical future a bit better than someone who does not.
Take that as you wish... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Ann Perhaps you can explain to me why only mega-millionaires make it to the White House, if your system is so perfect. | Never said it was perfect did I? Again dont put words in my mouth. However that does not change the fact that the people in the White House no matter how imperfect they might be, were put there by the people.
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01-12-2007, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mkloby Ann - He never claimed that the American republican form of gov't is perfect. That one's all you. Yeah - he believes that an authoritarian police state wouldn't come to be in America. You have hundreds of thousands of US military personnel, like Adler, myself, and many other members here, that have taken an oath to SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. If someone wanted to install an "authoritarian or police state" in the US, they'd have a seemingly insurmountable obstacle in the US electorate, and another in the US military. With all that taken into consideration, for the forseeable future, it's just not going to happen. Call it sacred "innocence" if you like. | Agreed fully. Dont forget about all the militias that would stand up too or the powers of the individual states themselves. Quote: |
Originally Posted by mkloby By the way - I don't know where you learned your superior etiquette over us crass Americans, but I would consider the demeanor of your postings as "rude." | A bit arrogant to dont you think?
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01-12-2007, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet A bit arrogant to dont you think? | Just a bit, yeah. | |
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01-13-2007, 08:00 AM
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#41 | | Der Crewchief
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01-14-2007, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mkloby By the way - I don't know where you learned your superior etiquette over us crass Americans, but I would consider the demeanor of your postings as "rude." | This has all the hallmarks of a screaming inferiority complex (in this case, by Americans about their own culture: I didin't attack it, and you don't need to defend it). I didn't post anything rude. But some people resort to personal rudeness as soon as someone disagrees with the content of their posts. The phrase 'where you come from' is an example of such rudeness. | |
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01-14-2007, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet No actually that was not a rude response and you did not strike a nerve. | The phrase 'where you come from is rude'. End of. Learn to read. Quote:
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Its called conversation. Your original post was quite rude though, especially for a newbie to this forum. | LOL. The usual pomposity of people who have been on a forum for a while and think they own it. The length of time I have posted here bears no relationship to what I can and can't comment on. Live with it. Quote:
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Do yourself a favor and dont piss me off. | I am shaking in my boots, big boy. | |
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01-14-2007, 06:01 AM
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#44 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Ann This has all the hallmarks of a screaming inferiority complex (in this case, by Americans about their own culture: I didin't attack it, and you don't need to defend it). I didn't post anything rude. But some people resort to personal rudeness as soon as someone disagrees with the content of their posts. The phrase 'where you come from' is an example of such rudeness. | No you seem to think you know more about other people polotics than they do. I dont seem to think that I know more about Brit polotics and honestly I dont care to know about Brit polotics. It does not effect my life.
You have the arrogance and rudeness in your postings. Also when you become a moderator here at this forum, then you can tell me when it is the end of a convo.
I know how to read, I have an eduction.
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01-14-2007, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ann The phrase 'where you come from is rude'. End of. Learn to read. | No it is having a simple conversation. If you take it as rude, then you need to be bit more thick skinned in this forum instead of getting your panties in a wad. If you dont like the way we all talk to each other in this forum, then go someplace else. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Ann LOL. The usual pomposity of people who have been on a forum for a while and think they own it. The length of time I have posted here bears no relationship to what I can and can't comment on. Live with it. | No I dont think I own the forum, but I am a moderator so you fricken live with it. You dont like it, go someplace else. You will not tell me how to be in this forum. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Ann I am shaking in my boots, big boy. | I am sure you are....
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