A Pilot's Perspective On Barack Obama

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

I see most non-Americans do not know how the US political system works ..And will not lessen to an America when they try to tell them ...And keep thinking and writing as if they do...

People would be all up set if I ran my mouth about there countrys government and had no clue about it ...But Americas do not do that for the most part ...But alot of other people around the world sure do..

Haz, not meant as an insult, but I learned that most Americans are not really interested in other governments outside the USA. While for us Europeans, it's hard to ignore American politics.

The US system now is technically not difficult to understand. You'll have much more problems with our 20+ parties system, I think. The people behind it is the difficulty for us, not the system. I think most Europeans will judge American politics from their thinking world and Americans do the same to us.

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by Marcel

Ren, I meant he heated up the discussion, made you guys talk. This whole discussion has been very interesting for me as imakes me better understand how conservative Americans like yourself think. I thinks news reports here in the NL usually are quite superficial and while we hear what the conservatives stand for, we hardly ever hear the reasons behind it. It's a pity that there aren't any American democrats participating in this as it would give the discussion a more balanced view.

Actually Marcel, the Democrats are comprised of many different viewpoints and only act as a coalition during national elections. Daniel very well expresses the thoughts and balance of Democrats you would identify as "george soros", "nancy pelosi", "moveon.org", Kos, Code pink, etc.

Democrats that are union members but live in the south and are hunters and fishermen or oil field workers or airline baggage handlers or represent cotton farmers in west texas are closer to liberal Republicans and in some cases hold conservative views on the 2nd Amendment or drilling for oil and gas.

What I find utterly confusing and infuriating is anyone, left or right, who repeats a second or third hand 'eye witness' account of an event or action or decision and present them as 'truth' - often without research. I perceive that most of such positions are what I describe as left or far left. I have seen examples on the right

You are not one of those, nor Pbfoot, and many other forum members that dislike or distrust Bush. On the other hand Bush is hated by many for the wrong reasons including Americans, in my opinion, and will grasp any negative 'report' or 'account' and accept it as truth - when as intelligent people may not accept a similar unfounded or unsupported account on someone they admire.

My latest pet peeve is the accusation of 'cherry picking' Iraq intelligence.

My perspective is that Bush listens to both sides of an intelligences assessment and balances doing nothing on uncertain (or un popular) assessments and ultimately asks the question - which action or direction do I take that constitutes the least risk to the American people - Dem and Repub and Independent alike. I could be wrong.

What I am not wrong about is that no one on this forum is privy to all the facts, opinions based on facts and raw BS that Bush and his Cabinet assess every day... I do GUARANTEE that he makes decsions independent of the impact to the Republican party - and absent McCain and Lieberman I challenge anyone here to name a respectively balanced bi-partisan pair.

My thoughts and opinions.

Regards

[renrich]

Hear, hear Bill. Well said and agreed with! Marcel, glad you enjoyed the discussion and hope it was somewhat educational. Interesting that most Americans on this forum seem to be conservative and hold similar views. They also have the interest in history which all of us share. What does that tell you about left leaning Americans?

[freebird]

Originally Posted by renrich

What does that tell you about left leaning Americans {on the forum}?

That you had them all shot?




Sorry Ren, I couldn't resist!

But you are correct, the far-left tend to be younger and have less interest in history or military matters

[Njaco]

I believe its a matter of feeling good or thinking. Guess who does which.

[renrich]

I would like to deport them all to Canada. LOL I agree that many are younger and don't read much history but the personality of many of them regardless of age seems to me to be rather superficial. Not deep thinkers. As Njaco said, more about feelings than thinking.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by renrich

I would like to deport them all to Canada. LOL I agree that many are younger and don't read much history but the personality of many of them regardless of age seems to me to be rather superficial. Not deep thinkers. As Njaco said, more about feelings than thinking.

So Canadians are not deep thinkers? Canadians are superficial?

This is exactly what I was talking about in the other thread, renrich.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by renrich

I would like to deport them all to Canada.

TOO LATE!!! Most of 'em are here already!

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

So Canadians are not deep thinkers? Canadians are superficial?

I think Ren was referring to the Peacnik left wingnuts in both US & Canada, they hate Bush with a passion but can't explain why except for dogma. "Bush lied - people died"

No Adler, the real Canadians are out in Alberta making a living! {and clinging to guns & religion!!}

The Marxist, Anarchist, bi-sexual, peacenik, Bush-hating, tree-huggers stay in the big cities on the west or east coast, and living off of our tax dollars! {sound familiar anyone?}

Thanks for defending Canada Adler, but to be honest our country is in as bad shape as the US, with National Pride disappearing, and a bunch of fools running the show in Ottawa.


Now see what you've done Ren? I'll have to start a thread about all the cr@p in Canada to balance all of the USA bashing!


Adler it's a long running embarassment to the "real Canadians" that our socialist polititians deride the US "militarism" while for many years we were freeloading off of US defence, because they refused to spend money on it.

A classic example is the new Conservative government is buying/leasing some Leopard II's from Germany & Holland to send to Afganistan, and these tanks will ACTUALLY HAVE AIR CONDITIONING!

The left in Canada complained about the cost, and that tanks are a "symbol of war" and Canada shouldn't have them.

Sure- why would you need A/C in Afganistan, it only gets up to a balmy 45 C!

Maybe we can just hand out flowers to the Taliban instead?

[renrich]

Chris, you misunderstand me. FB was joking and intimated I would shoot all the liberals and I joked back and said we should deport them to Canada. We were speculating that liberals in the US did not seem to show up on this forum because they did not seem to have the keen interest in WW2 that the more conservative members do. I inferred nothing about Canadians being deep thinkers or not.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by renrich

Chris, you misunderstand me. FB was joking and intimated I would shoot all the liberals and I joked back and said we should deport them to Canada. We were speculating that liberals in the US did not seem to show up on this forum because they did not seem to have the keen interest in WW2 that the more conservative members do. I inferred nothing about Canadians being deep thinkers or not.

But judging by that lame-brain Freebird that posts here....

Not only a lack of interest in history & military Ren, but lack of appreciation of freedom, protecting your rights, and the sacrifices of what they call those "warmongers" and "baby-killers" {what we would call patriotic soldiers}

An we are still dealing with your last batch of fringe-element anti-war types Ren, don't send any more!

[Njaco]

I thought we were trading them for all the half-wit entertainers you keep sending down here.

[freebird]

Yes I know, Celine Dion moved down from Quebec to the USA.

{Lowering the average IQ of both places when she did so....}

[renrich]

I forgot about all the draft dodgers we sent you in the late sixties and early seventies. Glad you appreciate them.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by freebird

TOO LATE!!! Most of 'em are here already!



I think Ren was referring to the Peacnik left wingnuts in both US & Canada, they hate Bush with a passion but can't explain why except for dogma. "Bush lied - people died"

No Adler, the real Canadians are out in Alberta making a living! {and clinging to guns & religion!!}

The Marxist, Anarchist, bi-sexual, peacenik, Bush-hating, tree-huggers stay in the big cities on the west or east coast, and living off of our tax dollars! {sound familiar anyone?}

Thanks for defending Canada Adler, but to be honest our country is in as bad shape as the US, with National Pride disappearing, and a bunch of fools running the show in Ottawa.


Now see what you've done Ren? I'll have to start a thread about all the cr@p in Canada to balance all of the USA bashing!


Adler it's a long running embarassment to the "real Canadians" that our socialist polititians deride the US "militarism" while for many years we were freeloading off of US defence, because they refused to spend money on it.

A classic example is the new Conservative government is buying/leasing some Leopard II's from Germany & Holland to send to Afganistan, and these tanks will ACTUALLY HAVE AIR CONDITIONING!

The left in Canada complained about the cost, and that tanks are a "symbol of war" and Canada shouldn't have them.

Sure- why would you need A/C in Afganistan, it only gets up to a balmy 45 C!

Maybe we can just hand out flowers to the Taliban instead?

You cause me some confusion as you occasionaly call your self Canadian but generally the gist I get from other posts is your from the UK....please pick a team

[Matt308]

Oh.. we are on teams now, eh?!