A Pilot's Perspective On Barack Obama

Danielmellbin · 07-13-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcel

What always puzzled me about US politics is the way it always get personal. People are often attacked because of their personal life and less about their political agenda, or at least so it seems from here. The post at the start of this thread seems to be in the same category.
Doesn't it embarrass American citizens that the run-up to presidency quite often ends up in something similar as a pub brawl?

Reminds of a great story my dad once told me. Him, a french politician and an American where discussing the days political events. The American poilitcian said that there was a US Senator in trouble. The french asked what had happened and then was told that the guy had been seen entering a hotel with a young catch. The french dude paused for a while and said: Now I know the facts - now please explain to me: What is the problem?

Aussie1001 · 07-13-2008, 08:20 AM

good point..... both Daniel and Marcel, remember politicians represent the country, in Oz the shite really hit the fan when in the election the Opposition leader (Kevin Rudd) was exposed to have once visited a brothel in America years ago the media had a field day, However as a few of you might be aware he still won the election by a huge amount.... that might say something about australians tho'.....

renrich · 07-13-2008, 09:50 AM

Maybe all this foregoing dialogue should be an example to all of you non American citizens to walk and talk a little more softly about our politics in the US. It seems comical to me when I hear some poster from a socialist country pontificating about our system. All of you who think that Obama is such a wonderful candidate, please list all of his qualifications for the job of president of the most powerful nation on earth! As far as politics being dirty in the US, get out your history books and look at some of the political cartoons when Lincoln was running or later became the president. When Goldwater was running against Johnson the dimocrats ran an ad with a little girl and an atomic bomb going off intimating that Goldwater would bring on nuclear warfare. The bitterness and polarization you see now is somewhat typical except it has been exacerbated by the belief of the dimocrats that they were robbed of the election in 2000 and by the disappointment brought about by the personal indiscretions of their fair haired boy, Slick Willy. The other factor playing a role in the rabid behavior of the dimocrats is that the leadership and control of that party has fallen into the hands of the far left and they sense an opportunity, if they can elect an arguably, marxist and racist Obama, along with a left wing congress, they can move this country more rapidly toward a collectivist society with the attendent weakness in our military. You foreigners who love freedom and liberty should get out your worry beads!

Aussie1001 · 07-13-2008, 10:06 AM

"powerfull nation in the world"
Think China might be givin you a run for ya money there mate.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-13-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie1001

"powerfull nation in the world"
Think China might be givin you a run for ya money there mate.

You sure about that? The only thing they have is a lot of people. When the have the ability to project their power around the globe, then they might give a run for the money.

Aussie1001 · 07-13-2008, 10:17 AM

But remember they are currently going through one hell of a economic boom,some would say the largest in a long time perhaps ever, as for numbers they have one fifth of the worlds population thats a hell of an army.....
I am not deabating who has the better weapons, but given time.....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-13-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie1001

But remember they are currently going through one hell of a economic boom,some would say the largest in a long time perhaps ever, as for numbers they have one fifth of the worlds population thats a hell of an army.....
I am not deabating who has the better weapons, but given time.....

And the economy of China is to dependent on the west, more so than we are dependent on them. The Chinese economy is very volotile and it could colapse very easily.

Also you can have the largest army in the world but if you cant project your power outside of your region then you are not a super power.

They are the strongest power in Asia, that is for sure, but they are not a "world" power.

JugBR · 07-13-2008, 10:25 AM

der adler:

maybe the "liberals" of usa doesnt recognize the faults of the "liberal media" because the "conservatives" doesnt recognize yours and vice versa...

Aussie1001 · 07-13-2008, 10:29 AM

Are they dependant on us ask yourself that, who makes most of our consumerables, i'll bet that most of the components that go into that Pc in front of you are made in china. They are turning the western countries in "warehouse" economies where everything is imported, most things these days are made in china, sure buisnessmen from the west own them thats all well and good but can you imagine what would happen if the govermentmade them stop exporting stuff to us we dont have the factories they have to manufacture our own goods simply for the fact that it's cheaper to pay a slave than it is to pay a western worker who has things like unions and rights....
and i do believe they are a world power.

JugBR · 07-13-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

And the economy of China is to dependent on the west, more so than we are dependent on them. The Chinese economy is very volotile and it could colapse very easily.

Also you can have the largest army in the world but if you cant project your power outside of your region then you are not a super power.

They are the strongest power in Asia, that is for sure, but they are not a "world" power.

china is an economic superpower, their economic growth is gigantic.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-13-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JugBR

der adler:

maybe the "liberals" of usa doesnt recognize the faults of the "liberal media" because the "conservatives" doesnt recognize yours and vice versa...

You are skirting around the point again. The point was that people like you point out Fox news all the time, but pretend that the "liberal" press never does anything like this.

I have news for you, the "liberal" press does it just as much. So I ask you again, why dont you recognize them as well, instead of ignoring it?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-13-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie1001

Are they dependant on us ask yourself that, who makes most of our consumerables, i'll bet that most of the components that go into that Pc in front of you are made in china. They are turning the western countries in "warehouse" economies where everything is imported, most things these days are made in china, sure buisnessmen from the west own them thats all well and good but can you imagine what would happen if the govermentmade them stop exporting stuff to us we dont have the factories they have to manufacture our own goods simply for the fact that it's cheaper to pay a slave than it is to pay a western worker who has things like unions and rights....
and i do believe they are a world power.

I agree with you that we use there manufactured goods. The thing I am pointing out is this. We in the west do not need them. If we stop depending on them, they will fall. If they stop using us, we will not fall...

By we I mean the western nations.

JugBR · 07-13-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie1001

Are they dependant on us ask yourself that, who makes most of our consumerables, i'll bet that most of the components that go into that Pc in front of you are made in china. They are turning the western countries in "warehouse" economies where everything is imported, most things these days are made in china, sure buisnessmen from the west own them thats all well and good but can you imagine what would happen if the govermentmade them stop exporting stuff to us we dont have the factories they have to manufacture our own goods simply for the fact that it's cheaper to pay a slave than it is to pay a western worker who has things like unions and rights....
and i do believe they are a world power.

i believe aussie, in 21° century, dependency is very realtive, because all capital and all enterprises are trans-nationals.

china would be the greatest economic power in the world, not just i think that but the greatest economical analysts, "the brain of capitalism".

they are in the middle of transition of socialist dictatureship to capitalist democracy, but can you realize the size of chinas economy when the transition will be complete ?

is a new world, and if we want to survive here, we need to understand whats going on, cold war and 20° century are now past ! the future is a multipolar world.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-13-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JugBR

china is an economic superpower, their economic growth is gigantic.

Agreed, but they are not a world super power.

In order to be a world super power you have to project economicaly as well as politically and militarily.

JugBR · 07-13-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I agree with you that we use there manufactured goods. The thing I am pointing out is this. We in the west do not need them. If we stop depending on them, they will fall. If they stop using us, we will not fall...

By we I mean the western nations.

its not so easy, the capital invested in china came from europe, japan, usa, brazil, middle east.

would be like shot your feet...