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DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-24-2006, 01:41 PM

Besides pbfoot as we have said before. Name me a Christian nation that tells its people to go and kill Muslims because they dont believe in the same thing as them.

pbfoot · 09-24-2006, 02:03 PM

Jeez guys all I'm saying is the world is not black and white if I'm incorrect I'll apologize

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-24-2006, 02:18 PM

No you are right it is not black and white. No reason to apologize but to compare Christians to what the Muslims are doing in these modern times and what they have been doing for the last 30 or more years isnt right.

pbfoot · 09-24-2006, 02:31 PM

I wasn't comparing Christians to Muslim atrocities but just trying to indicate that no one single group is without blame . Well maybe the Mennonites or Quakers

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-24-2006, 02:34 PM

No right now the Muslims are all that is to blame. Can you blame the Christians because the Muslims want to kill them by the thousands? Can you blame the Christians let alone the rest of the world for what Muslims did on 9-11 and what they want to do every fricken day?

Matt308 · 09-25-2006, 09:45 AM

No personal attack PB. Your arguments, while I think are a bit offbase, are enlightening as to how others think. I believe that a significant portion of this war will be won with words and influence of ideas. If everyone would stand up and reject these muslim fanatics and their violent oppressive sharia law, they would fade into history. Belief that there is some equation between Christianity and these evil Aholes is not a sound argument in my opinion. But you are not the only person who believes such.

We'll force you to come around. Even if we have to burn your children at the cross.

pbfoot · 09-25-2006, 10:40 AM

First I'd like to state l am 100% in favour of the war on terrorism in Afghanistan and other locales but I am not convinced about the validity of the war in Iraq . The Taliban and Al Quada are evil people and their demise is a goal to which I fully subscribe . now after saying this the raison d'etre for these terror groups is poorly thought out foreign policy by some nations over the past 50 years but this does not justify their actions in the least . We the western nations have validated and and in some cases placed governments in power that were not the choice of the locales and now we reap what we've sown.

mkloby · 09-25-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

First I'd like to state l am 100% in favour of the war on terrorism in Afghanistan and other locales but I am not convinced about the validity of the war in Iraq .

Oh how I bet your opinion about its validity would swing 180* if in fact the US was hit with a terrorist attack using some kind of NBC weapon. That was an overwhelming risk the world was taking with the former Iraqi regime still in power - and quite frankly a risk that I, for one, was not interested in continuing.

This is irrespective of US support for Iraq in the 1980s - although you are right about reaping what you sow. You play power politics and this is what happens sometimes. It still, however, does not mean that the US should stand idly by hold its breath hoping that Saddam's gov't did not facilitate an NBC attack on the US.

Now- what to do after the invasion... a little more complex of an issue.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-25-2006, 11:42 AM

I agree 100% with you mkloby.

pbfoot · 09-25-2006, 11:55 AM

Hindsight is 20/20 and originally I was in full agreement with US policy in Iraq but upon reflection I have swung around 180 degrees but that is easy since no one of importance listens to me anyways. I think the real fault of the whole grudge**** can be squarely placed on ill informed politicos when was the last time any politicians every come out and said they screwed up I can't recall of ever hearing any elected official ever saying they messed up and as far as I know only one guy ever walked on water.
We need leaders who can actually play connect the dots in their decision making process without outside influences

Matt308 · 09-25-2006, 01:00 PM

I think that the war in Iraq is part of a bigger picture PB. However, I don't think that the sell to the public would be popular. The world public wants results. Immediately. It would not be a good sell to state, "We are in a religous war. The only way to win this war is through protracted conversion of existing middle eastern theocracies and dictatorships into western modeled democracies. We will start with Iraq and remove Saddam to create a staging point for the synergy necessary to spread this democracy. This religious war will require a concerted effort not unlike the coldwar to change the minds of fanatical muslims. This can only occur over the course of generations and our dedication to that end must include patience and perserverence. The immediacy of time is on their side and we must stay the course to be successful. Only with these freedoms, subsequent rights for all religions and both sexes, can the hearts and minds of those currently oppressed be enlightened. Their freedom, and subsequently that of the rest of the free world, hinges upon our sacrifice."

It is a religious war. We are not fighting just a few crazies. We are at war with the current Islam definition. Whether we want to believe it has been hijacked or not, Islam is a religion of violence and those in the minority who believe otherwise must seek to change Islam for the better or face protracted war with the rest of the world.

Oppression of women, intolerance of other religions and violence against women/non-believers is hallmark to Islam. Something must change.

Erich · 09-25-2006, 03:40 PM

as I have said in the past it is all inter~related as part of a much bigger picture and that having the whole of the mid-east together against Israel and most probably the US/and the other Allies.

Politicians and diapers need to be changed for the same reason ............. a very suitable recourse

remember we are still talking and thinking like westerners, something the mideast nations cannot or will not fathom, nor tolerate

die Infidels !

pbfoot · 09-25-2006, 04:01 PM

Nobody understands any one anywhere speak the truth rather then crap and to hell with who is backing your campaign. Matt are you insinuating that we are not capable of understanding the truth . My trust was shot when I was 8 and found out Santa Claus was bogus its been downhill since then

Henk · 09-25-2006, 05:55 PM

So what do you guys think the world should do to stop them or prevent them from doing what they do now without going to war with the middle east?

pbfoot · 09-25-2006, 08:30 PM

If I could get a read on this excerpt from probably the best documentary I have ever seen ref the troubles in the world whether you agree or disagree it is worth watching
YouTube - Why we fight