The Province of Québec wants... An Army ?!?

[102first_hussars]

Well guess what, the UN would not allow The very few Canadian Peacekeepers in Somalia to do anything overthere aside from protect the embassy's and if youve seen Hotel Rwanda that place too,

5000 soldiers we have more like 60000 soldiers, and we will be reaching a 120,000 manpower objective by 2008,

and Somalia so sorry man about yur guys getting burnt, but we had our own little problems there too.

Canada took in the most Vietnamese Refugees than any other country and their was over 10000 canadians that fought for the U.S. army, and about bringing culprits to justice, bullst*t!!!!!!! cuz I recall an F-16 on patrol with two pilots hopped up on Anphetamines(Dexedrine) dropping a half tonner killing four canadian soldiers one of whom was my next door neighbor, imagine how I felt to find that those flyboys totally got away with a crime, oh and I was also shocked to find the same thing happen when a F*cking Warthog straffed a british convoy during the Invasion of Iraq. My stepmothers father was a sherman turret operater for the CF, and his tank was bombed by an american plane of which he survived but lost a leg and shrapnol eroding from his flesh for the next 20 years of his life.

Anyway I had never intended to just blame the Americans for no reason, I was trying to find a way to explain from my earlier posts that, NOT JUST the Americans but the Allies were well known for executing Surrendering Gerries, More notably Russia,Canada and the US, I was going to say that back in those days when you were the winner of the war you kinda got away with those things, but its different now.

Now Im going to tell you something, like every country does Canada has made mistakes but you will find knowhere in canadian history of any mass killings, to my knowledge freindly fire incidents, cutting off our enemies testacles and shoving it in theyre mouth so dont even try to compare Canadas F*ck Ups To the States, When I see how aggressive the US is becoming and how strong China is becoming so strong I just see the "shadow of war"

And youre chatting with a Kingston RMC educated person so in no way did you make me out to be a moron, **** I piss myself laughing when I read that over and over,

Man your ass is for rent.

[plan_D]

You're actually educated?

I'd like to point out to you that the U.S does make it's soldiers accountable for their actions in the majority of cases. Friendly fire incidents are much harder to bring to 'justice' that obvious criminal activity.

I have read more reports of U.S friendly fire incidents during World War II and, I'll admit now I normally join in mocking the U.S for being trigger happy but just use some grey matter - more U.S planes were in the skies, which leads to more possibility for mistakes. Every pilot can make a mistake and while it was said; "...when the Americans bomb everyone takes cover..." - it's more likely true that when anyone bombs, everyone takes cover.

The British troops retreating in Burma were strafed by the RAF. A whole Lysander squadron flying home from France after the initial collapsed was almost wiped out by RAF Spitfires. Everyone makes mistakes.

I've heard about the incidents in the Gulf and Iraq. But again, more U.S planes, more mistakes. A Tornado was shot down by a U.S patriot site ...sounds bad. But it was the Tornado pilots fault, he went out of his channel and the Patriot crew followed orders. The first patrols by the Royal Marines (some of the greatest fighting soldiers today) ended with at least one casualty caused by friendly fire because high command didn't tell the Marines about other Marines in the area.

In the Falklands, the SAS and SBS actually fired at each other ...and it took them almost six hours before they realised who each other were. ("No one told us the Argies would be this good...")

H.M.S Sheffield was attacked by Swordfish from Ark Royal because they thought it was the Bismarck. No one told the crews there was a ship between the Ark Royal and Bismarck.

Friendly fire incidents happen in every country, and those that U.S did and will do are nothing new. People make mistakes, we're not precision programmed machines. And even if we were, we'd still make mistakes because it'd have been humans that had programmed us.

On the war crimes...well, these in Iraq aren't crimes. What was done to those people in Abu-Gharib is standard practice. Why? Because it breaks them down with humiliation, it's not painful, it's not torture, it won't ruin their lives but it affects them there and then. And by the Geneva Convention, all Iraqis captured can be executed. They're fighting in civilian clothing and can be tried as spies and killed - the same applied in World War II. You can't fight in enemy colours, or civilian clothes because that makes you a spy and that's punishable by death.

These insurgents aren't even combat soldiers, so they cannot be brought under the PoW rules. They're common criminals and by Iraqi law, for murder, they can be executed. But the U.S saves their lives and drags them off to prison instead - maybe they don't want to live, after all, they'd all love to lick Allahs smelly behind.

Vietnam ...well, many soldiers heads rolled when they were made accountable for their actions. But look at it from their point of view, while the Vietming would actually fight in combat clothing, they also had insurgents in many villages that would smile to your face, and shoot you in the back. Do you think all these young American soldiers would want to smile back if they'd heard about this happening? I'll tell you now, the British in Burma during World War II used to burn Burmese villages to the ground and kill everyone in them if they heard they were either aiding the Japanese or had murdered a British soldier. War crime? No. Why? Because they weren't in the war. Crime against humanity? No. They needed to be made accountable for their actions.

Every major power has got blood on it's hands. The only ones that should be whipped are those that try to hide their hands from the world. The U.S doesn't ...the U.S is the world power and is easy to target...the band-wagon's f*ckin' big for that ...don't want to feel left out? Is that why you jumped on it?

What's the rallying call for that wagon anyway?

Down with the U.S.A, up with the assholes!

That?

[pbfoot]

102 your no more of an officer in Jtf2 then i'm one of the 3 tenors your facts are invariably incorrect and smack of a typicaly uneducated insecure canadian get a grip because its attitudes like yours that make us look silly. Rwanda was a screw up at the highest levels (security council) but canada would have trouble logistic wise to get anyone there we don't have enough canoes

[FLYBOYJ]

"Every major power has got blood on it's hands. The only ones that should be whipped are those that try to hide their hands from the world. The U.S doesn't ...the U.S is the world power and is easy to target...the band-wagon's f*ckin' big for that ...don't want to feel left out? Is that why you jumped on it?"

"typicaly uneducated insecure canadian get a grip because its attitudes like yours that make us look silly".

Thank you pb and D, I couldn't stated anything in the above threads better my self - Hussars, take a hint from pb, another Canadian who is eloquent and well versed in his position and composure. Many of us who post here come up with fact and references, not half-truths and folklore to back up our discussions. Maybe less time with the bottle will help you gain composure.....

A Kingston RMC educated person? Maybe that will make you officer material (or maybe an adviser) for the PQ army, isn't this what this thread is about? But then again you might of been asleep while at Kingston because you posted some pretty ignorant sh*t here.

By the way, the photos of the 2 soldiers carrying the heads - the're not even US soldiers, their either South Vietnamese or Hmong....

Oh, and my ass is for rent? Do we have a sexual preference issue here?

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

102first_hussars you are full of crap. I see more BS from you on this forum than from anyone. The United States has a history of treating POW's very well. Learn your history, really please. Mai Lae was a very bad example.

Oh and the picture of the soldiers carrying the heads up there is not pictures of US soldiers in Vietnam but rather S. Vietmanese soldiers.

Your knowledge of the US Military and infact anybody elses military is very weak. You need to go and learn something and stop making yourself look ignorant because that is about the only that you do.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

A Kingston RMC educated person? Maybe that will make you officer material (or maybe an adviser) for the PQ army, isn't this what this thread is about? But then again you might of been asleep while at Kingston because you posted some pretty ignorant sh*t here.

Well, I think Plan_D, FBJ and the others well resumed my thought.

If I was not sooo kind, I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the next thing he's gonna say is that General Romeo Dallaire is a great man... Sheesh...

(For the ones of you who doesn't know, Romeo Dallaire was a commanding officer of the UN troops in Ruwanda. (Most of his men were Belgians.) During a meeting with one of the cannibal leaders, he let the ennemies slaughter a complete group of UN soldiers (approximately 20 men). Most of them were murdered "on the spot" but some of them (I think the right number is "5") managed to take cover in a small house and hold the attackers off for a while. However, after 20 minutes or so, the UN troops ran out of ammos. When the ennemies entered the house, the remaining UN troops were murdered using picks, machetes and even shovels. No need to say that Romeo Dallaire is currently wanted in Belgium, where he is considered as a war criminal. And what did we do in Canada ? We named him senator ! )

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Wow that is terrible.

[Maestro]

Yeah... I think that if bounty hunters were legal in Canada, I would raid his house and bring him in Belgium. May be I would get a big reward...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Id give you a hand.

[pbfoot]

if you guys check out this on romeo dallaire you'll find out he had a big pair and i'm proud to the have guy .the belgiques should be p"ssed on from great height
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_Dallaire

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I still dont know if I like the guy. Post Traumatic Stress syndrome. I would think he just cracked but okay.

[FLYBOYJ]

Thanks Maestro, I forgot about you and your highly intelligent threads, always a pleasure to hear about your take on my former home...

The guy mentioned is a real piece of work, I saw a new report on him a few months ago....

Maybe the first commander in chief of the PQ Army?!?!

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Sounds like a fitting job for him.

if you guys are talking about dallaire read the story on frontline also the holocaust centre i can't see where the man had any option .....
On the night of 6-7 April, 1994, an airplane carrying Rwandan President Juvénal Habyarimana was shot down over Kigali Airport. Following the airplane crash, Hutu extremists, with help from the Rwandan government, started executing Tutsis and Hutu moderates as well as the elected officials of the new government. This was the starting point of the Rwandan genocide. Dallaire ordered ten Belgian soldiers (whom he considered his best men) to protect the new prime minister, Agathe Uwilingiyimana. The soldiers were intercepted by Hutu extremists and taken hostage, after which Madame Agathe and her husband were killed. Later that day, the Belgian soldiers were found brutally murdered. Belgium was outraged that Dallaire had put its soldiers in such danger, and promptly withdrew its forces.

Seeing the situation in Rwanda deteriorating rapidly, Dallaire pleaded for logistical support and reinforcements of 2,000 soldiers for UNAMIR. The UN Security Council refused, several journalists laying blame on a gun shy US President Bill Clinton's administration which refused to provide requested material aid after the failed US efforts in Mogadishu, Somalia. The Security Council further voted to reduce UNAMIR down to 260 men.

Following the Belgian withdrawal, Dallaire consolidated his contingent of Ghanaian, Tunisian, and Bangladeshi soldiers in urban areas and focused on providing areas of 'safe control'. His actions are credited with directly saving the lives of 20,000 Tutsis. There is speculation that Dallaire's forces deliberately sabotaged equipment to slow their UN-mandated withdrawal from the combat zone.

As the massacre progressed, the UN Security Council backtracked on its position and voted to establish UNAMIR II with a strength of 5,500 men. Several French and UNAMIR II contingents started arriving in Rwanda in June 1994.

The genocide, now known to have been brutally and efficiently organized months before, lasted for 100 days, leading to some 936,000 deaths, and over two million people being displaced internally or in neighbouring countries. The genocide ended when Tutsi RPF gained control of Rwanda on July 18, 1994, although retribution continued on a smaller

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dallaire ordered ten Belgian soldiers (whom he considered his best men) to protect the new prime minister, Agathe Uwilingiyimana. The soldiers were intercepted by Hutu extremists and taken hostage, after which Madame Agathe and her husband were killed. Later that day, the Belgian soldiers were found brutally murdered. Belgium was outraged that Dallaire had put its soldiers in such danger, and promptly withdrew its forces.

Well there's a start...
Before you accept an assignment as a UN Peacekeeper, you better realize that you may have a sub-par leader placeing you in harms way.

My brother was offered a UN peacekeeper's assignment - he laughed!!